Is Openflash tablet detectable?

[Boofneenee]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

At the end of the day, we focus on making a performance item, not a dealership deception item. Anyone who focusing on the latter either doesn't do the first bit too well or is praying on the fears of others IMHO.

Shiv, I appreciate your input. All I, and some others, are looking for is some real truth in the answer to this question. We are looking for assurances that we run a solid chance of not forfeiting our warranty it something goes wrong d/t your tune. In the end its our wallets that suffer should something go wrong as a result of your very new piece of technology. Its a reasonable question to ask. I am not looking to put fear into other consumers minds rather, I am simply looking for the truth. I am looking for exact measures as to how it can be detected. When you post a comment that reads "it is very unlikely that it can be detected at the dealership level" as you have done for posts in the past you dont provide me with the answer I am looking for. Perhaps if you expanded a bit more on this area in your website it would put more potential consumers minds at ease, including mine.

Having said that, I am convinced I will be alright with this awesome tune. I think its in my best interest to really build a strong relationship with my dealer and hope for the best with this or other tunes.

thanks

[cnk]

You're never going to get a real answer because no one really knows with 100% certainty that it cannot be detected. In the end, you're dealing with software and even when you think that you've created something that you believe is foolproof, someone will come along with a different vector of thinking and exploit a vulnerability. That's why what you're asking for will never be possible, i.e. 100% guarantee that something cannot be detected. If software could be 100%, then we'd all still be running Day 0 OS's with no patches.

In the end, you are right, it's your wallet that has to pay if something goes wrong. So you need to do the risk-reward evaluation yourself and decide what you want to do. Asking for a statement on his website to state that a dealership won't be able to detect any changes will just result in some lawyer pushing manufacturers to come up with ways to prevent any tampering with the ECU at all or just result in a "For Offroad Use only" statement on all tuning solutions.

While I understand your concerns, they aren't realistic. It's like having your cake and eating it too, i.e. you want the tune, but don't want the risk associated with it.

[stugray]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It's virtually impossible to prove that something does not exist.

What I was getting at is: What results do you get if you scan the entire memory space to see if you get a "read response" or a read failure for every single memory address? How many bits is this ECU?

If there is any "hidden" non-volatile memory registers hiding in the ECU, they should be relatively easy to find. In modern CPUs there can be fancy things like swap space to a harddrive (still memory mapped) that require some fancy footwork, but these MCUs should not be that advanced.

[utekineir]

Originally Posted by Boofneenee

We are looking for assurances that we run a solid chance of not forfeiting our warranty it something goes wrong d/t your tune.

Modding always has to be looked at as pay to play. If you aren't ok with risk, don't mod.

Sometimes you may slip past the piper, sometimes you won't.

But you always need to go into it with the mindset of expecting to pay if and when shit goes wrong.

[andrew20195]

Originally Posted by regal

Do you really think the stock tune is bullet proof N/A ? Especially those of us with 2012 builds that can only get the 01C calibration fix with an aftermarket flash?

He means the engine hardware itself is "bulletproof", as in way overbuilt for a normally aspirated engine.

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by Boofneenee

I am begining to realize that if I get this product my best strategy is to be best of friends with my Toyota dealership and mechanic manager. This means I am going to have to take my car to them for all my work. Perhaps building this relationship will save me of a warranty battle if something goes wrong with the engine. Maybe they wont dig further for evidence of a tune if they can't find much when I reflash the ROM.

The only 100% way to be sure is stay stock to 60k/5 years.

[Simon99]

Gonna bump a thread instead of making a new one: Did a member got denird a warranty replacement because of OFT ?

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[Tromatic]

I thought is was the tune that shall not be named.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by Simon99

Gonna bump a thread instead of making a new one: Did a member got denird a warranty replacement because of OFT ?

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That would be news to me

[paddleshifter]

For thoft of us who are less informed, Which oft tune is this?

[Simon99]

Thanks shiv, just wanted to know ! Gonna buy one soon !

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[wparsons]

Originally Posted by paddleshifter

For thoft of us who are less informed, Which oft tune is this?

I think they were suggesting it was an FA20Club or maybe Visconti tune (both EcuTek), not and OFT tune.

EcuTek leaves a small footprint even after flashing back to stock, so it is slightly easier to detect, but no dealership has the hardware (or employees with the background) to dig into it like that.

The ECU would have to be shipped off for further investigation, and for that to happen the dealership would have to suspect something.