Tatrix + Header tuning solutions

[regal]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Judging by everything you've said about tuning, it appears you just don't know what you are on about.
Be thankful there are OTS tunes by shiv, otherwise you are SOL since you have no means to do it yourself, thus the original comment about using OFT for your usage type as well as supporting him in doing so.

I've got nothing against shive I jutst prefer to use a laptop to flash, when you are paying for dyno time every second count an extra step of going thru a pendant has to slow you down. That's all.




I bought the tatrix soley to update factory calibrations, if it turns into a tuning tool great if not its no big deal.

[jamesm]

you're comparing flashing mechanisms, not tuning solutions. for either openflash or ecuflash, you use the same tuning workflow. there is no difference whatsoever, as it's literally the exact same software just a different delivery mechanism.

i think that as it stands now if you're choosing between oft and a tactrix/ecuflash setup, the oft is going to be the winner for most people. the customer support alone is worth the extra money (being that it's entirely non-existent with ecuflash, and bad things do happen sometimes). ecuflash is better for the more technically-minded people who want to learn more about how these things work and don't mind working at a lower level of abstraction. it's for the nerds among us, basically.

so think of it like oft is to osx as a tactrix cable is to #! or some other minimalist linux distro. but at the end of the day they both do the same job. they get a rom from romraider to your car.

[regal]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Judging by everything you've said about tuning, it appears you just don't know what you are on about.
Be thankful there are OTS tunes by shiv, otherwise you are SOL since you have no means to do it yourself, thus the original comment about using OFT for your usage type as well as supporting him in doing so.

For now I just needed the updated factory tune. I've talked to a few professional tuners who don't want or need a pendant stop. I'll check this thread in 18 months when warranty wears out by then there should be some tatrix dyno tuners. If not, my money will probably go to an Innovate with Delicious tune.


We all have our preferences and switching back and forth between computer and pendant while paying for expensive dyno time seems very cumbersome, probably why with the OFT the only tunes available are by shive. JMHO.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by regal

For now I just needed the updated factory tune. I've talked to a few professional tuners who don't want or need a pendant stop. I'll check this thread in 18 months when warranty wears out by then there should be some tatrix dyno tuners. If not, my money will probably go to an Innovate with Delicious tune.


We all have our preferences and switching back and forth between computer and pendant while paying for expensive dyno time seems very cumbersome, probably why with the OFT the only tunes available are by shive. JMHO.

How about tuning it yourself and then contribute to the community with your learnings?

If warranty is your thing, you've just contradicted the whole purpose of opening this thread.

In any case, I'll never put a locked tune on my car.

[steve99]

Originally Posted by regal

For now I just needed the updated factory tune. I've talked to a few professional tuners who don't want or need a pendant stop. I'll check this thread in 18 months when warranty wears out by then there should be some tatrix dyno tuners. If not, my money will probably go to an Innovate with Delicious tune.


We all have our preferences and switching back and forth between computer and pendant while paying for expensive dyno time seems very cumbersome, probably why with the OFT the only tunes available are by shive. JMHO.

Correct me if i am wrong but I have never seen or heard of any professional tuner releasing tunes for basicly free for any car before .

[vgi]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

1) realtime data displays (numerical, graphic and multi-channel)
2) not require the use of a laptop
3) multiple map storage
4) customer support
5) allows user to get wholesale pricing on other parts (headers, exhaust, power blocks, supercharger, etc)
.. Among other things in the works

The purchase of OFTs allow allows us to continue developing and releasing free unencrypted maps for entire community to use

The realtime data display is supported by romraider, not all params yet and not in fast mode 23 but it's in development.

true, some people though prefer a laptop. Also for logging you just need a cable head and I'm not 100% sure but it seems the logging rate with tactrix is faster which allows to log a lot more params.

Map storage is convenient, but it's not like ecutek on a fly map switching. with tactrix people are using a laptop anyway and flashing with tactrix is faster.

The rest is definitely beneficial for people.

also, more is coming form open source, such as merpmod will be available for BRZ (per Td-d: "cel flash on knock, cel flash on high EGT (using o2 sensor resistance), speed density with MAF blending, FFS with per gear thresholds, LC, per gear boost control. I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff...")

I though bought an EcuTek for that dyno tune from a pro tuner.

[Td-d]

Originally Posted by vgi

"I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff..."

Flex fuel is already in beta as well, map switching, per gear boost control. If I had the time to get my head around HEW, I'd make a point of porting this across

It really comes down to how much hand holding you need (not meant facetiously at all) , or how much (or little) time you have - it's a preference really. Personally, I like the flexibility and power of not having to wait for new stuff to be found - but I'm not exactly the median in terms of users. Also, I don't tune others' cars, if I did I understand how the time vs. money equation would be more important.

Horses for courses.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by Td-d

Flex fuel is already in beta as well, map switching, per gear boost control. If I had the time to get my head around HEW, I'd make a point of porting this across

It really comes down to how much hand holding you need (not meant facetiously at all) , or how much (or little) time you have - it's a preference really. Personally, I like the flexibility and power of not having to wait for new stuff to be found - but I'm not exactly the median in terms of users. Also, I don't tune others' cars, if I did I understand how the time vs. money equation would be more important.

Horses for courses.

just curious, is it a c code or c++?

[Td-d]

Originally Posted by vgi

just curious, is it a c code or c++?

C++ I believe.

[regal]

The Tatrix cable paid for itself already in allowing me to update to the 2014 calibration (dealers refused.) I was just wondering if professionals use it, guess not no big deal.

[s2d4]

Um yeah, it is a flashing device.

[Sportsguy83]

I'm in the process of converting my ROM to the new B01C ROM base..... Man what a PITA. Spent an hour last night and I might be at the halfpoint.....

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I'm in the process of converting my ROM to the new B01C ROM base..... Man what a PITA. Spent an hour last night and I might be at the halfpoint.....

What do you do if you find maps that aren't the same between the factory ROMs but is already altered in your tune?

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by s2d4

What do you do if you find maps that aren't the same between the factory ROMs but is already altered in your tune?

Unless it is something specifically known as an issue (transient retard tables), you just copy your current tune tables over.

So to give you a little background, the reason I am converting it is because the purpose of this updated stock flash is to remove idle dips, specially with AC on. My injectors currently are tuned perfect. I have a very slight idle dip with AC on (it is better than when the car was stock, my current problem is since James teached me how to tuned them and I tuned these ones, your senses are extremely enhanced to any misbehavior the car does).

I have let other people drive the car to see if they see anything wrong and they are all amazed at how incredible it drives.... Long story short, there are several idle control tables not defined in Ecutek yet, so I am going with the new ROM calibration base in hope to eliminate that 0.001% improvement to be had, meaning Subaru/Toyota introduced improvements in those undefined tables... It may not work but was worth giving a shot. If it doesn't change a thing, I'm ok with it. I am extremely happy to have been able to calibrate my injectors like they are right now. It honestly drives way better than stock.