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[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by solidONE

All I see is that I'm not going fast enough not carrying enough speed

You should really sit down with someone that knows this track well and review this, because that is not what I see. You are oversimplifying it. Your above observation is the last thing I would work on. It's not as simple as just driving faster through a corner. I guarantee you that if you go faster through a lot of those corners, you'll go off with the line you're driving. I'm gonna have to agree with dradernh here. Go back and learn how to drive the line correctly and consistently first because it only gets harder to drive the right line when you increase the speed. The right line is what allows you go drive faster through the corner.

You're also breathing off the throttle entering a braking zone, not using the entire track (I think I see you hitting a berm once?), not tracking out at the exit and pinching yourself off, applying throttle near the exit of the turn rather than at the apex or before (SLOW in, fast out), not starting out wide enough entering a corner... Just work on the line first.

Does this not look smooth? I think I clipped most of the apexes as well.

You need to get a coach. Best thing you can do.

Originally Posted by solidONE

Here's a run I did on a local back road with stock tires with VSC on.

http://s174.photobucket.com/user/sol...43611.mp4.html

As you can see it was very intrusive. I'm sure the stock tires has a lot to say about how the TC is kicking in.

I'm not sure how driving on a broken, jacked up, back road is really relevant when it comes to VSC on a track...? It looks to me like VSC was saving you from wrapping the car around a tree or going off a cliff.

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by chrisl

The road looks fairly bumpy and uneven to me, which could cause the TC to kick in a fair amount.

While not quite as bad as this road, buttonwillow and streets of willow are both notoriously chewed up tracks.

[ayau]

Having the camera mounted in the back window to show your hands would be helpful.

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by orthojoe

You should really sit down with someone that knows this track well and review this, because that is not what I see. You are oversimplifying it. Your above observation is the last thing I would work on. It's not as simple as just driving faster through a corner. I guarantee you that if you go faster through a lot of those corners, you'll go off with the line you're driving. I'm gonna have to agree with dradernh here. Go back and learn how to drive the line correctly and consistently first because it only gets harder to drive the right line when you increase the speed. The right line is what allows you go drive faster through the corner.

You're also breathing off the throttle entering a braking zone, not using the entire track (I think I see you hitting a berm once?), not tracking out at the exit and pinching yourself off, applying throttle near the exit of the turn rather than at the apex or before (SLOW in, fast out), not starting out wide enough entering a corner... Just work on the line first.



You need to get a coach. Best thing you can do.




I'm not sure how driving on a broken, jacked up, back road is really relevant when it comes to VSC on a track...? It looks to me like VSC was saving you from wrapping the car around a tree or going off a cliff.

Yeah your right SLOW in fast out has been the way I've been driving to keep smooth. And me not using the entire track is a result of not going speeds high enough to require the use of the entire width of the track. Cutting the turns and sticking on the inside is an attempt to reduce distance traveled and using the excess grip I have available.

To be fair that road I'm very familiar with and the setup I had was more conducive to wheel spin (stiffer springs, harder tires). Tho like I said buttonwillow and streets of willow are very bumpy tracks.

[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by solidONE

Yeah your right SLOW in fast out has been the way I've been driving to keep smooth. And me not using the entire track is a result of not going speeds high enough to require the use of the entire width of the track. Cutting the turns and sticking on the inside is an attempt to reduce distance traveled and using the excess grip I have available.

To be fair that road I'm very familiar with and the setup I had was more conducive to wheel spin (stiffer springs, harder tires). Tho like I said buttonwillow and streets of willow are very bumpy tracks.

Well it sounds like you've got it all figured out then. Good luck getting faster.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by solidONE

And me not using the entire track is a result of not going speeds high enough to require the use of the entire width of the track. Cutting the turns and sticking on the inside is an attempt to reduce distance traveled and using the excess grip I have available.

Never heard of this philosophy before. Shortest distance traveled doesn't mean the fastest driving line. I thought you wanted to be a faster driver.

The driving line allows you to carry the most speed. You may not be using all of the tires' available grip now, but once you become faster, you'll want to drive that line.

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by orthojoe

Well it sounds like you've got it all figured out then. Good luck getting faster.

Uh.... Thanks?

[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by ayau

Never heard of this philosophy before. Shortest distance traveled doesn't mean the fastest driving line. I thought you wanted to be a faster driver.

The driving line allows you to carry the most speed. You may not be using all of the tires' available grip now, but once you become faster, you'll want to drive that line.

I think we're wasting our time here. This guy just takes advice and then turns it around with excuses or calls it bull. Coach wont help either...

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by ayau

Never heard of this philosophy before. Shortest distance traveled doesn't mean the fastest driving line. I thought you wanted to be a faster driver.

The driving line allows you to carry the most speed. You may not be using all of the tires' available grip now, but once you become faster, you'll want to drive that line.

No of course it isn't, and it's not a philosophy. It's just describing what I'm doing after realizing I'm going way slower than I could have entering the turn.

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by orthojoe

I think we're wasting our time here. This guy just takes advice and then turns it around with excuses or calls it bull. Coach wont help either...

Chill out man... I do appreciate input. And what I'm saying is not excuse it just describing what I'm thinking and doing. if I seriously think I have it figured out why would I even ask this on a public forum? I wouldn't and I don't. So... No need for angry posting. Mmkay?

[AZP Installs]

If the VSC is being very intrusive in sport mode, you may still be on stock tires or not smooth enough. I would try it out on a smooth track and summer tires at a minimum.

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[solidONE]

Originally Posted by AZP Installs

If the VSC is being very intrusive in sport mode, you may still be on stock tires or not smooth enough. I would try it out on a smooth track and summer tires at a minimum.

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How about RS-3's on a bumpy track? Would you suggest leaving VSC on?

From what I gather with @orthojoe's critique is that you should never stick the inside of the corner regardless how slow or how much more grip u have available and stick with the racing line at all times as a novice level driver? Would you agree with that advice?

[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by solidONE

Chill out man... I do appreciate input. And what I'm saying is not excuse it just describing what I'm thinking and doing. if I seriously think I have it figured out why would I even ask this on a public forum? I wouldn't and I don't. So... No need for angry posting. Mmkay?

Not angry, amused. I can't figure out why you're asking on a public forum either because according to you, you're nailing those apexes, you know the line, you're driving so smoothly that VSC slows you down big time, and you can't be bothered to track out because it will slow you down.... yet your lap times suck. But, you've got it all figured out because you just need to go through that corner faster. So simple! Turn off that VSC, go flat out, and let us know how it goes.

Anyone want to volunteer to be his coach? (crickets)

[AZP Installs]

Originally Posted by solidONE

How about RS-3's on a bumpy track? Would you suggest leaving VSC on?

From what I gather with @orthojoe's critique is that you should never stick the inside of the corner regardless how slow or how much more grip u have available and stick with the racing line at all times as a novice level driver? Would you agree with that advice?

I'm not familiar with the RS-3 tires. I'm more familiar with the Direzza ZII, Michelin PSS, R888s, RA1s for the track.

I agree 100% with @orthojoe on that comment. You ALWAYS should be driving the 10/10th line even if you are not driving your car to 10/10ths. The only exception to that rule, which doesn't apply here, is in wheel to wheel racing, where not driving the line is due to race craft.

-Mike Paisan


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