Tatrix + Header tuning solutions

[regal]

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you are a tatrix/ecuflash owner there really aren't any header basemaps or even independent tuners who work with the tatrix?


Its really a DIY proposition, which I'm ok with but time is money and if anyone knows of a dyno tuner in the mid atlantic to NYC who will work with a tatrix I would appreciate it.


On another note if I wanted an Innovate why wouldn't the CARB package come with an unlocked basemap?


I'm just looking at possible upgrade scenarios for my new toy.






Paying 25% the price of a blower for cables and flashing licensing seems counterproductive for both Innovate and the customer.


The Tatrix works great for flashing roms to the ECU why aren't more using it like the rest of Subieworld?

[s2d4]

Sounds like you should've done your research and gone for the OFT.

[Kodename47]

Quick answers to your questions:

- Header basemaps - Shiv's OFT ones will do nicely.

- Tuning solution - use Romraider. Any Subaru tuner should be able to use that.

-- CARB tunes are not unlocked as essentially they can't be AFAIK. To stay emissions compliant nothing can be changed, or it would no longer be the CARB tune would it?

- Why is no-one using it yet? Well I'd assume that its still early doors on this platform. Most would be scared off by a beta software status. When things are finally nailed down it will pick up. Lots of people would love a pick up and go solution and don't have the know how to unbrick an ECU should the worst happen. I've noticed that most of the people using it on here have previous Subaru experience and are working hard to bring it to a good end product that can be used by anyone.

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Sounds like you should've done your research and gone for the OFT.

Why? I can't see any real difference.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

Why? I can't see any real difference.

As per your reply.

[regal]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Sounds like you should've done your research and gone for the OFT.

I did research it to death, I used to tune cars over a decade ago and a pendant flasing device just sort of gets in the way. If you've ever been on a dyno tuning every minute is precious and having the laptop all-in-one is a huge advantage.

Originally Posted by Kodename47

Quick answers to your questions:

- Header basemaps - Shiv's OFT ones will do nicely..

I didn't know he was posting those as bins or hex?

Originally Posted by Kodename47

- Tuning solution - use Romraider. Any Subaru tuner should be able to use that...

Yes but there aren't many locally well versed in D4-S/DI.

Originally Posted by Kodename47

- -- CARB tunes are not unlocked as essentially they can't be AFAIK. To stay emissions compliant nothing can be changed, or it would no longer be the CARB tune would it?...

Yes a meant locked. It would ensure the CARB integrity, I think RomRaider has a lock feature? I guess what I am saying is not offering a basemap flasheable by the Tatrix or OFT Innovate, Vortech, Greddy, anyone selling an entry level kit is hurting their sales by requiring an expensive SOA cable/license.

Originally Posted by Kodename47

- - Why is no-one using it yet? Well I'd assume that its still early doors on this platform. Most would be scared off by a beta software status. When things are finally nailed down it will pick up. Lots of people would love a pick up and go solution and don't have the know how to unbrick an ECU should the worst happen. I've noticed that most of the people using it on here have previous Subaru experience and are working hard to bring it to a good end product that can be used by anyone.

And this is sort of what I'm banking on. Almost 2 years ago I had a list of recommended "top" subbie tuners and almost all of them said they aren't interested in the BRZ until tatrix/romraider works with it. But I haven't seen the pendulum swing quite as fast as I had hoped. Probably too much WRX/STi business. I hope we don't end up the red-headed step child of performance Subaru's.


Thanks

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by regal

I didn't know he was posting those as bins or hex?

http://www.openflashtablet.com/produ...ads/index.html

[kiichiro]

It all depends what you want , haltech ecutek tantric cables whatever, you need a tuner unless you really know what your doing

I love to drive wrench and track but I would be a fool to think I have the know how to setup my fi car for track right without blowing it up.

Know your skill set, and yes choose a tuner not a solution if you ask me

[jamesm]

You can use any unlocked, unencrypted rom with ecuflash and a tactrix cable. This includes the oft OTS maps that are posted in bin format. Regardless, you're much better off getting a bespoke tune. But yes functionally oft and a tactrix cable are pretty much identical, only the oft has a screen/some flash memory to store maps and the tactrix cable flashes way faster. They both work, it just depends on what you want. Neither hold a candle to ecutek in terms of power and flexibility, but they're both a bit cheaper (tactrix being ~$180 total, so a lot cheaper but with zero support when something goes wrong). Were lucky to have so many options...

[vgi]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Sounds like you should've done your research and gone for the OFT.

Y? what does OFT do that Tactrix doesn't? Pricewise it costs less though and gives an option for those who want to switch to BrzEdit
@regal
if you do decide to use Shiv's tunes you should log and check if it knocks on cruising. For many it does. Then you should revise it and pull some timing off. You can follow steve99's thread on pulling timing off: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61820

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by vgi

Y? what does OFT do that Tactrix doesn't?

1) realtime data displays (numerical, graphic and multi-channel)
2) not require the use of a laptop
3) multiple map storage
4) customer support
5) allows user to get wholesale pricing on other parts (headers, exhaust, power blocks, supercharger, etc)
.. Among other things in the works

The purchase of OFTs allow allows us to continue developing and releasing free unencrypted maps for entire community to use

[steve99]

In the end it gets down to support and knowledge level and what you as an individual are confident with.

How must are you willing to sacrifice to save cost
How much is your time worth, do you want to learn or just pay someone to do it.
How mush risk are you willing to take

ect

Tactrix/Ecuflash
- is do it yourself very little support
- maybe some guy on a forum can help
-no tunes (by that platform)
- Very few people possess the skills time and dyno to develop a tune from scratch.

Open flash Tablet

- Comes with tune's suited to variety of bolt on mods plus vortex supercharger and Electric supercharger ect

- Has support and backup- for when flash fails , tune not working correctly , you just want to ask a question, my ROM not supported. My car now doing weird stuff ect , will my mods work with this tune ect, does this look ok.

I have both devices , I always like a backup plan if something unexpected happens

Then you Have ECUTEK and dedicated tuners and specific tunes for your car.

Even further MOTEC HYDRA + tuners ect

[steve99]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The purchase of OFTs allow allows us to continue developing and releasing free unencrypted maps for entire community to use

+1000

If those maps did not exist , all 99% of tactrix users (non-tuners) could do would be update their ROM to the latest Stock ROM calibration.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by regal

I did research it to death, I used to tune cars over a decade ago and a pendant flasing device just sort of gets in the way.

Judging by everything you've said about tuning, it appears you just don't know what you are on about.
Be thankful there are OTS tunes by shiv, otherwise you are SOL since you have no means to do it yourself, thus the original comment about using OFT for your usage type as well as supporting him in doing so.