SCCA Solo C Street Discussion

[Tt3Sheppard]

Originally Posted by SeanRTR

Someone would probably shit their pants, even at the local level. I wouldn't go that route in C-Street.

Lmao good to know.

[tahdizzle]

a half an inch opens so many new tire options and grip.

Thats why wheels are a big deal.

[G_Ride]

Originally Posted by Kido1986

They don't want a relatively rare car (1500 units) to be an overdog, I can appreciate that. Though we're so far down on the 370Z, I don't think it matters.

What could happen is the RS 1.0 becomes classified as CS and the regular FRS and BRZ move down to ES due to the 370Z.

[vroom4]

CS will die and ES will be huge.

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by G_Ride

What could happen is the RS 1.0 becomes classified as CS and the regular FRS and BRZ move down to ES due to the 370Z.

I almost like this. They need to do something about ES eventually, and the twins are a popular car looking for a good place to play. Might make sense to move the NC Miata as well. I imagine that crowd is more upset at having to run against the 370 than we are.

The problem is that CS becomes spec 370 unless you're lucky enough to get a rare RS 1.0, or you throw money at a clone conversion. And if this spec class is now approaching BS speeds...then the classing starts looking really stupid.

[Sccabrz192]

Originally Posted by G_Ride

What could happen is the RS 1.0 becomes classified as CS and the regular FRS and BRZ move down to ES due to the 370Z.

I'm thinking this isn't a BAD option, not because of the RS 1.0 but because we're starting to see results/actual A-B comparisons suggesting it's not as CS competitive as initially expected. The move was already proposed once, but not enough data to make an informed decision. If CS continues to be well subscribed all year, we may see some consistent evidence a move needs to be made.

At the Wilmington Match Tour, the ES winning MR-S would have been in a podium spot, well off Fenter's pace, but less than a tenth from Mark Andy... so there is at least one singular supporting data point.

Regardless of all that... Wilmington reminded me this sport is all about seat time and I haven't had any in a LONG LONG time

[TrqlessWonder]

Originally Posted by simpleisbest

Are you saying SCCA would need to class the RS 1.0 as a particular trim? I think its the opposite actually. If the SCCA does NOT classify the FR-S RS1.0 as a different trim, it would be legal for CS, no?

I don't think so. It, with the different springs, would be considered a different trim, I would think. The 10 series/monogram are just comfort-convenience dress-up things. I expect it will get treated as an FR-S the same way the ZOK is treated as a Solstice.

I wouldn't expect it to be allowed to run at all nationally until specifically classed. I think the only real way to sneak it in would be if the line said "FR-S, All" or "FR-S, NOC." Won't be a problem for this year anyway. I think this will be the same with the tS BRZ.

What will be interesting is how long the SAC/SEB takes to class it once requested. Lately, they've shown a preference for having meaningful, at least mostly reliable to data to base new classing like these cars on. What to do with the new Camry? They'll just wing that one. Not with these, though. And there is still the obligatory 12-month rule.

[ABQautoxer]

Originally Posted by dwx

The SCCA is scared of special edition cars, it will end up in BS where it won't be competitive.

We are? Or do we think it might be best to not put limited availability models in the same class with their cheaper more common regular models?

Originally Posted by TrqlessWonder

What will be interesting is how long the SAC/SEB takes to class it once requested. Lately, they've shown a preference for having meaningful, at least mostly reliable to data to base new classing like these cars on. What to do with the new Camry? They'll just wing that one. Not with these, though. And there is still the obligatory 12-month rule.

Just follow the logic that makes sense in this case. What is to gain by putting this model in CS? What would be the changed if this limited model was in BS? How would it affect the established base in either case? Guess what the likely outcome in with those factors in mind.

- SAC member

[TrqlessWonder]

Originally Posted by ABQautoxer

Just follow the logic that makes sense in this case. What is to gain by putting this model in CS? What would be the changed if this limited model was in BS? How would it affect the established base in either case? Guess what the likely outcome in with those factors in mind.

- SAC member

Thanks. I deleted that part of my post. Kind of tripping over myself to find a way to not put words in anyone's mouth, and still relay the message to others that the sky isn't falling.

I like either separate classing ideas, really. I'm not sure how well-received it would be to take the NA (and maybe NB) miata out behind the shed and put down, though. Which I think would be one of the net effects of that move.

-A guy who's going to try to make it work in Street pretty much without regard for SAC/SEB actions.

[ABQautoxer]

The ES question is one that remains to be answered. It was a split decision then and now about it's future. Really the answer is run what you want to support, otherwise leave it to a small few to "predict" what to do next.

There is a lot of time between now and Nationals. Answers will likely be in the November Fastrack by my math.

[mrazny]

Best way to affect change is with actual participation, not "if you did this then I'd play" type stuff. Thankfully most are participating.

If you guys decide to not go to tours or nats because of the 370Z, you'll likely bury your own car because it's not perceptibly popular in Street.

[Kido1986]

I'm still doing 2 tours + nats this year, but hoping that the showings will make them realized that the Z is too quick. Problem is, not as many people run it due to the high cost of massive tires that chew up sidewalls really quickly.

[TrqlessWonder]

Another thing to keep in mind with the z. While there's some debate about the effectiveness of the torsen in our cars, the z cars have a much flimsier viscous diff. Street tires may make that considerably worse, or at least more maintenance-intensive to keep it working.

And a +1 on the running away thing. It was covered a few pages back and sort of echoed by our resident SAC member. If no one tries, what reason (other than the mental masturbation of bench racing) would anyone have for making a change? Particularly when a strong signal tends to be necessary to push a change through. I say next person to see Daddio tosses him the keys.

[travisb]

I did my first autox in the BRZ last weekend. I'm not new to autox, but my budget is very small this year. The only thing I will probably be able to do is tires and maybe something else not too expensive. I might be able to get dedicated wheels/tires next year.

The tires will be for DD and autox. I live in Virginia and we have plenty of rain and cold days. I won't be driving much in snow, if any at all.

My goal is not to win class. I just want to be more competitive than I was with the stock tires.

1) I am looking at Michelin Pilot Super Sport in either 215/45R17 or 225/45R17 on the stock wheels. With only 10MM difference is it worth going to 225?

2) Also, is it worth getting spacers to widen the stance and if so, how much could I do on the stock wheels. The spaces would have new studs.

3) While I am at it, it would be good to get camber bolts since they are cheap. What kind of alignment should I be looking at given everything I mentioned?