The Hussarya Polish Supercar Is Nearing Completion

[robwbright]

http://www.complex.com/rides/2014/03...and-production

"Power comes from a 650-horsepower 6.2L V8 via GM, and drives the rear wheels through a paddle-shift gearbox. Arrinera expects the car to sprint from 0-60 mph in about 3.2 seconds, and onto a 211 mph top speed. That’s pretty quick. Helping to keep the power on the ground is none other than Lee Noble, founder of the Noble supercar brand, who has been brought in to design the chassis.

The company hopes to build about 100 cars per year once it moves into its new plant, with an estimated price tag of $160,000. This seems a little steep for a new company, but consider that an Audi R8 V10 can achieve similar 0-60 sprints at about $20,000 more. Arrinera will reveal a fully functional production model later this year."

[serialk11r]

Am I the only person who is wondering why there are all these LSx powered supercars coming from new little companies in Europe that are basically the same as any other car but with different body panels? I mean even Koenigsegg, all they've done for the past 10 years is put a bigger supercharger on the same engine.

[Joakim3]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Am I the only person who is wondering why there are all these LSx powered supercars coming from new little companies in Europe that are basically the same as any other car but with different body panels? I mean even Koenigsegg, all they've done for the past 10 years is put a bigger supercharger on the same engine.

Because developing an engine in-house cost a BAZILLION dollars, something that a 99.9% of niche super car companies don't have. That and why not take a proven engine and run with it? The Mclaren F1 used a BMW engines, Zonda's used AMG engines, the CCR used an LSx based engine and no one seemed to complain about those lol

The LSx engine for all they are worth, are insanely reliable when it comes to making ludicrous power while keeping weight and size down, both of what you want in super/hyper car

If I'm not mistaken Koenigsegg builds there own engines completely in house. Only the original CCR used an LSx derivative


In regards to the thread.... that is a SERIOUSLY pretty car design wise . It honestly looks a 21st century successor to the McLaren F1 (imho one of the BEST looking hypercars of all time). It's what the MP-12C/P1 should have looked liked, but didn't

[serialk11r]

That's true, but these cars are basically really interesting looking cars with relatively primitive design otherwise. I would just buy a MP4-12C or Ferrari or Audi R8 or something like that if I wanted an exotic looking car, it's not like they're common. The McLaren F1 used a BMW engine but it was not a run of the mill BMW engine, and it had a lot of other innovative features too. This new crop of supercars (Gumpert Apollo, Zenvo, etc.) just tack giant wings onto very strange looking bodies and try to sell them for huge amounts of money.

[gramicci101]

I'd rather get the Audi R8 V10 for $20k more, because then I'd have an Audi. That I could take to any number of Audi dealerships or independent shops for maintenance. That modifications, if I chose, would be plentiful for. And from a company that has a very long racing and performance car history.

Oh no, my niche polish supercar broke. Let me take it in for maintenance at... where?

Actually, I'd rather have an Aston Martin. May not be the fastest thing out there, but it's damn pretty.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Joakim3

Because developing an engine in-house cost a BAZILLION dollars, something that a 99.9% of niche super car companies don't have. That and why not take a proven engine and run with it? The Mclaren F1 used a BMW engines, Zonda's used AMG engines, the CCR used an LSx based engine and no one seemed to complain about those lol

The LSx engine for all they are worth, are insanely reliable when it comes to making ludicrous power while keeping weight and size down, both of what you want in super/hyper car

If I'm not mistaken Koenigsegg builds there own engines completely in house. Only the original CCR used an LSx derivative


In regards to the thread.... that is a SERIOUSLY pretty car design wise . It honestly looks a 21st century successor to the McLaren F1 (imho one of the BEST looking hypercars of all time). It's what the MP-12C/P1 should have looked liked, but didn't

Niche supercars?

That's a fancy way of saying 'really expensive kit car'.

Heh...

There are a few differences with regards to engines. The Macca F1 didn't use a BMW engine. They had a bespoke engine made. It wasn't an ordinary V12 from the 750iL or 850(letters). It was a one-off near racing design done by their M division, exclusively for the F1. Hence big dollars.

Ko(letters)egg used Ford engines. I think their 'own' engine is still very Ford related with a Ford motorsports block as the basis of it. (Don't quote me though, need to double check.) That's the toughest part for small companies, the block design and casting. On American engines basically everything else can be and has been made for them by third parties.

I think the stock motor issue is that it detracts from the exclusivity of the cars, whose entire point is exclusivity. They rely on styling and exclusivity to sell. But having a Joe Average engine detracts from that for those that dig deeper.

Same thing happens in high end watches which use outsourced movements. Function isn't impaired but knowing the company does the whole thing start to finish, rather than just design work and buys in generic engineering pieces, affects how 'special' the piece is.


That said, this thing looks good and Noble has made some great handling cars. It was also common way back in the day (Jensen Interceptor, Bizzarini, Sunbeam Tiger, the goddamn Cobra was a British AC Ace with the 289 stuffed in). I hope they do well enough to have a full year or two of production, but it's a tough game.

[kevman_101]

LSx. Cheap, reliable, light, powerful, decent fuel mileage, insane aftermarket. It's the perfect engine to trow into you're first car really. Gives you peace of mind. If the company picks up, then you can look into either engineering you're own or going more exotic.

[FR-S89]

Car looks much better than a R8 from that photo alone. drool...

[robwbright]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

I'd rather get the Audi R8 V10 for $20k more....

Or you could buy this and a slightly used FRS.

[Joakim3]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Niche supercars?

That's a fancy way of saying 'really expensive kit car'.

Heh...

There are a few differences with regards to engines. The Macca F1 didn't use a BMW engine. They had a bespoke engine made. It wasn't an ordinary V12 from the 750iL or 850(letters). It was a one-off near racing design done by their M division, exclusively for the F1. Hence big dollars.

Ko(letters)egg used Ford engines. I think their 'own' engine is still very Ford related with a Ford motorsports block as the basis of it. (Don't quote me though, need to double check.) That's the toughest part for small companies, the block design and casting. On American engines basically everything else can be and has been made for them by third parties.

I think the stock motor issue is that it detracts from the exclusivity of the cars, whose entire point is exclusivity. They rely on styling and exclusivity to sell. But having a Joe Average engine detracts from that for those that dig deeper.

Same thing happens in high end watches which use outsourced movements. Function isn't impaired but knowing the company does the whole thing start to finish, rather than just design work and buys in generic engineering pieces, affects how 'special' the piece is.


That said, this thing looks good and Noble has made some great handling cars. It was also common way back in the day (Jensen Interceptor, Bizzarini, Sunbeam Tiger, the goddamn Cobra was a British AC Ace with the 289 stuffed in). I hope they do well enough to have a full year or two of production, but it's a tough game.

Yeah I can definitely agree on it being a rough market though...... the price for that power is definitely a +1 you'd be paying 100k more for a Huracan or 458, but then again at 160k, this is dead on in the price bracket of the 911... which is almost an auto lose lose situtation

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

I'd rather get the Audi R8 V10 for $20k more, because then I'd have an Audi. That I could take to any number of Audi dealerships or independent shops for maintenance. That modifications, if I chose, would be plentiful for. And from a company that has a very long racing and performance car history.

Oh no, my niche polish supercar broke. Let me take it in for maintenance at... where?

Actually, I'd rather have an Aston Martin. May not be the fastest thing out there, but it's damn pretty.

If you ever owned a VW or an Audi...you would know that "being able to take it to an Audi dealership" is not a PRO.

I like the VW and Audi cars pretty good...but thinking you will get one because they will be reliable and you will be supported by them...well...just Google "Volkswagon Problems" and see what I mean...