0-60 mph - forget handling ability for 5.9 seconds

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by GTR

so it be around 6.4 - 6.7 0-100km for the automatic then?

I'm starting to doubt that since the manual is around 6.7 0-60 and the gearing is slightly better on the manual. I would say 0-100km in 7.2 seconds for the auto and 7 seconds for 0-60.

[Max Schnell]

The stall and torque converter multiplication will affect the auto's performance compared to the manual. If the stall is a low 1.8k or even at 2.5k the car will not be able to launch hard, which will kill the 0-60 compared to a manual launched at 5k or 6k.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Looks like Matador got it right on the acceleration.

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Do I get a cookie?

[Gadflyii]

6.7 0-60 is my best guess for the base manual... 6.8 for the "loaded" manuals.

[dsgerbc]

3 tenths for 20 kilos? Don't think so.

[Gadflyii]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

3 tenths for 20 kilos? Don't think so.

your right, fixed it.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I think a lot of times the calculators is so off because the torque band is so different in all cars. I won't be surprised if this car doesn't hit 0-60 in low 6's or high 5's. But if it came with 200hp/180tq with a flat torque curve then I can easily believe high 5's and low 6's. The civic Si gain a lot of low end torque with the same output and it is slightly quicker in numbers than the last gen. It also feels better during daily driving because of the added mid range.

This is a good point, although the torque number doesn't actually say anything...if the 180 ft-lb was a spike at low rpm due to a small turbo, sure, if it's just a fatter engine, then not really.

Without launching and just revving up from idle, this car could easily be slower than a 2.0L Civic Si despite the same horsepower and RWD, because VTEC gives a much better low rpm cam profile that allows it to make so so torque compared to the FA20 which is running a high rpm long duration cam which is absolutely horrible for low rpm torque. The dyno charts posted show a huge drop in torque, but they don't tell the whole story as they stop at 1500rpms or so. Below 1500, it should get even worse. At idle I'd be surprised if the car is even able to output half of its peak torque.

The moment you bring launching into the equation everything changes, because you can essentially bypass the shit-torque-range on this engine with a clutch dump, and possibly put more power down because the car is RWD (although lower center of gravity reduces the weight transfer to the rear and this car is still slightly front biased)

[Gt0713]

Check this link out guys, it states the 0-60 was achieved in 5.9s stock. Not bad...

http://www.saycampuslife.com/2012/03...13-scion-fr-s/

http://www.zeroto60times.com/Scion-0-60-mph-Times.html

Not sure if this was posted before but it seemed interesting, there you have the info. I guess 5.9s could be achievable under almost perfect conditions, with a good driver and a good launch. Not sure if with the auto or manual. But it should be similar with a good driver on both transitions IMO. I would say its a tough one, but it should be achievable.

--- First post on a thread btw... Have been checking the forums out for a while though.

[WolfpackS2k]

Edmunds.com posted their test figures for the BRZ just the other day. 0-60 in 7.3 (or 7.0 with rollout) and 1/4 mile of 15.3 @ 92 mph.

I'm really not sure where that above 5.9 second figure came from, but Edmunds is much more credible. That being said the numbers are pretty disappointing

[BLikeWater]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Edmunds.com posted their test figures for the BRZ just the other day. 0-60 in 7.3 (or 7.0 with rollout) and 1/4 mile of 15.3 @ 92 mph.

I'm really not sure where that above 5.9 second figure came from, but Edmunds is much more credible. That being said the numbers are pretty disappointing

The Scion tC can reach those numbers, so I'm thinking that the 7.3 and 15.3 @ 92mph is not at optimal driving.

The real numbers should come from personal users going to the drag strip.

[WolfpackS2k]

Surely Car and Driver will have better numbers. They always seem to

[gtaqv]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Edmunds.com posted their test figures for the BRZ just the other day. 0-60 in 7.3 (or 7.0 with rollout) and 1/4 mile of 15.3 @ 92 mph.

I'm really not sure where that above 5.9 second figure came from, but Edmunds is much more credible. That being said the numbers are pretty disappointing

Those numbers really aren't too impressive, but that isn't the only acceleration measurement made. Motor trend achieved better numbers, which actually seem closer to what was expected...

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz...and-video.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/specs.html

Inside Line / Motor Trend
0-30 2.7 / 2.3 sec
0-60 7.3 / 6.4
1/4-mile 15.3 @ 92.1 / 14.9 sec @ 95.5 mph
60-0 mph (ft.) 114 / 120
lat acceleration 0.92 / 0.90

[bedabi]

Re the InsideLine 0-60 time, InsideLine was careful to point out why the figure seems higher than expected: http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz...and-video.html

At 7.3 seconds, its 0-60 time (7.0 seconds using a 1-foot rollout like on a drag strip) isn't going to win over many drag racers. But this time comes with an explanation. The rev limiter in 2nd gear kicks in at 59.2 mph, requiring a second shift to achieve the milestone and slowing the time considerably.

For perspective, I like to look at 1/4 mile trap speeds. ISL got 92.1 mph in the BRZ. That's nearly the same as my 2004 WRX stock at 93 mph by Car and Driver. (http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...mpreza-wrx.pdf ) (For 2002 WRX, same engine and weight.) I got 90-94 mph myself on the 1/4 mile strip stock.

So the BRZ will be about as fast as a stock 2.0T WRX in a straight line. I can live with that. I really want a car I can take to a road course a couple times a year without spending so much time and money on modifications as I had to do on my WRX's. I'm short on both.

I'll just laugh at anyone who wants to race me at a stoplight for wasting gas.

[merlin2111]

And only little fanbois race from light to light. There is always someone who is going to be faster than you. If you want to race in a straight line just go to the track.IMHO a real car enthusiast isn't worried about car x vs car z its about appreciating what you drive and what makes each car unique.