Are you waiting for Turbo?

[meldarred]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

- Tampa, FL


- Austin, TX

I must admit, these guys are exactly why Subaru needs to build a turbo model if they expect to sell any in the states of Texas and Florida. There aren't any winding roads in those states; it's all about straight-line speed. I was talking about it on the MR2 boards and low and behold it was a guy from TX and a guy from FL whining about it's lack of power.

heh, I live in Houston...

[Variant]

I much rather get an NA car and add a supercharger at some point in the future.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by swift996

^ Geography plays a big role. I live in FL and hate the fact its so hard to find windy roads.... I'm holding out for a turbo. Still love the BRZ, think it's a great car, I just need something with a little more power.

I drove a MKI MR2 as a DD in South Florida for 5 years (3 without A/C), it was great fun. I expect the 86 to have a similar ride experience.

This would all be so much easier if we could just TEST DRIVE ONE!...
...patience
...patience
...wearing thin
...patience

[Lost]

There's some great windy roads here (a couple hours drive to the Dragon), but honestly I'm just as excited to drive the interstate to work in a go kart with leather seats and XM radio.

[86'd]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

- Tampa, FL


- Austin, TX

I must admit, these guys are exactly why Subaru needs to build a turbo model if they expect to sell any in the states of Texas and Florida. There aren't any winding roads in those states; it's all about straight-line speed. I was talking about it on the MR2 boards and low and behold it was a guy from TX and a guy from FL whining about it's lack of power.

I don't know about Florida but there's a few twisties in Texas for sure.

If they want turbos on their cars, or more power then they can put a turbo on themselves, buy a WRX, Mustang or other infinite cars with more power.

200hp will be enough in this car. Sure I would like a bit more but no more than 230-240. And definitely not turbo. N/A only.

The only reason I would want more power is for bragging rights and to compete with other cars like the 350z or whoever. And really, I'm not 18 anymore, I don't race; I just want an engaging drive a good seating position, good shifter and decent power.

If my wife's Prius has enough passing power, then the BRZ/FRS will be just fine.

[arkybrz]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Stock car? I wonder if many of the problems noted with the WRX/STI are related to owners who mod their car and expect it to run just like stock without issues.

I've had a WRX since 2002 and never had any mechanical issues with my 2002 or my 2011. Each generation has its own quirks and trouble areas, but overall they are very reliable cars.

These cars are quite easy to mod, so I would bet a majority of issues were from people that didn't know what they were doing or bought modified cars in not so great shape.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

- Tampa, FL


- Austin, TX

I must admit, these guys are exactly why Subaru needs to build a turbo model if they expect to sell any in the states of Texas and Florida. There aren't any winding roads in those states; it's all about straight-line speed. I was talking about it on the MR2 boards and low and behold it was a guy from TX and a guy from FL whining about it's lack of power.

Clearly, you've never driven in the Texas Hill Country.

(which Austin is near)

Not saying that the culture isn't more supportive of drag and muscle cars, but there are enough farm roads in most of Texas to have fun on.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Stock car? I wonder if many of the problems noted with the WRX/STI are related to owners who mod their car and expect it to run just like stock without issues.

There were some stock engines that went out, it just took them longer to go out than modded engines. Has to do with the stock tune, which is fairly poor for performance in the name of reducing emissions.

Originally Posted by meldarred

It's actually at Stage 2. I'm not sure how well versed you are on Impreza's, but the stock tune on my year had a lot of ringland issues. It was better for the car to get out of the stock tune.

I put a lot of time and research into all the mods I put on my car. From reading NASIOC, I can tell you that some people care about reliability and some people don't.

This.

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by 86'd

200hp will be enough in this car. Sure I would like a bit more but no more than 230-240. And definitely not turbo. N/A only.

The only reason I would want more power is for bragging rights and to compete with other cars like the 350z or whoever. And really, I'm not 18 anymore, I don't race; I just want an engaging drive a good seating position, good shifter and decent power.

So you don't want the turbo, but you want everything that a turbo would provide? I don't think that most people that are looking for more power want it to drag race mustangs, but just to put the car somewhere in the range where it outpaces a family sedan but is still going to fall short of a muscle car. Keeping pace with a 370Z is exactly what I am looking for and given the weight advantage, I think 270hp would put you right in that range.

Personally, I would love to see the extra power just so they can re-gear the car with a taller 5th and 6th gear to lower the revs during highway cruising.

Any type of engine tune from the factory that is going to increase power by 50-70 hp is going to be crazy expensive. I can't see Subaru doing that when they have a perfectly good turbo version of the same engine that makes that amount of power.

[86'd]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

So you don't want the turbo, but you want everything that a turbo would provide? I don't think that most people that are looking for more power want it to drag race mustangs, but just to put the car somewhere in the range where it outpaces a family sedan but is still going to fall short of a muscle car. Keeping pace with a 370Z is exactly what I am looking for and given the weight advantage, I think 270hp would put you right in that range.

Personally, I would love to see the extra power just so they can re-gear the car with a taller 5th and 6th gear to lower the revs during highway cruising.

Any type of engine tune from the factory that is going to increase power by 50-70 hp is going to be crazy expensive. I can't see Subaru doing that when they have a perfectly good turbo version of the same engine that makes that amount of power.

I don't think I said that. Maybe I should be clearer.

I suggested that I don't need the power that a turbo would provide because things like bragging rights and comparisons to other cars like the Z aren't what I'm into anymore. I'd like only more N/A power because of the characteristics of the engine; the sound and the power delivery. And hopefully through mods I can get at least 20hp more.

I get what you're saying though. I often think that this car is barely faster than a Integra Type R, but I'm sure if I drove one of those today, it'd put a smile on my face.

Also a BRZ that could keep up with a 350z would be similarly priced.

I think I said it here before but my dream car was never really built. I don't want to get hyperbolic, but I think the FRS/BRZ is closest to it. I've always wanted an S2000 coupe and that's what I've imagined the FRS/BRZ to be.

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by Sully

Clearly, you've never driven in the Texas Hill Country.

(which Austin is near)

Not saying that the culture isn't more supportive of drag and muscle cars, but there are enough farm roads in most of Texas to have fun on.

I don't doubt this, but I was more pointing to the straightline culture of Texas. Apparently the "where's the turbo" whiners haven't heard of Hill Country, lol

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by 86'd

I don't think I said that. Maybe I should be clearer.

I suggested that I don't need the power that a turbo would provide because things like bragging rights and comparisons to other cars like the Z aren't what I'm into anymore. I'd like only more N/A power because of the characteristics of the engine; the sound and the power delivery. And hopefully through mods I can get at least 20hp more.

I get what you're saying though. I often think that this car is barely faster than a Integra Type R, but I'm sure if I drove one of those today, it'd put a smile on my face.

Also a BRZ that could keep up with a 350z would be similarly priced.

I think I said it here before but my dream car was never really built. I don't want to get hyperbolic, but I think the FRS/BRZ is closest to it. I've always wanted an S2000 coupe and that's what I've imagined the FRS/BRZ to be.

A lighter G35 would have been my dream car, unfortunately, it came here as in infiniti and was too heavy and too expensive for me at the time. The new G37 has gotten way softer as a sports car and no longer fits my bill.

A 270hp BRZ priced a tad under 35k would be my ideal car. It would be the perfect balance of a sports car with good power and exceptional handling as opposed to the more one sided car it is right now. If it doesn't come before 2015 then I guess I'll be getting a regular BRZ as it is since it is the closest thing to what I want.

[merlin2111]

No. I am looking forward to leaving the engine stock for a long while. I love the relative simplicity of NA power and I have seen the addiction that is boost destroy too many wallets and engines in the past to want to go that route.

I prefer stupid amounts of grip rather than stupid amounts of power. Hence my 94 R Package Miata with 225 star specs at all four corners.

[Noble713]

I'm waiting to see how a TRD/aftermarket supercharger shapes up power- and price-wise. Then I'll probably buy an N/A BRZ used and slap the SC on.

I love the rush of acceleration, and even in the highly-urbanized areas of Okinawa my crankwalking Evo IV still delivers daily driven stoplight-to-stoplight. It's only about 200lbs heavier than the BRZ but theoretically packs ~30% more power (even more once I drop this new engine in with Evo VI turbo). I'm not in a position to buy a brand new BRZ solely for enjoying the twisties (which this island has plenty of) without selling my stateside Evo X MR, and right now @ 200hp and 6.4sec 0-60 for the BRZ that would be a huge downgrade, not an upgrade.