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Old 03-25-2012, 11:56 PM   #1261
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I think the statement made by either tada or Toyoda that their kids weren't into cars because no one sold them desirable cars they could afford. Who really wants to trick out a 25 year old civic?

I guess you could say that $25k isn't that affordable, but it's not Lexus IS expensive either.
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:29 AM   #1262
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I think the statement made by either tada or Toyoda that their kids weren't into cars because no one sold them desirable cars they could afford. Who really wants to trick out a 25 year old civic?

I guess you could say that $25k isn't that affordable, but it's not Lexus IS expensive either.

Its still below the avg price of a new car. Some of us just wanted more for the money. What Scion is all about.
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:27 AM   #1263
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why fr-s?

Am i the only one questioning fr-s over brz now
if its near the Same price almost with better hids and front lights in general and nicer interior.
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:37 AM   #1264
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Am i the only one questioning fr-s over brz now
if its near the Same price almost with better hids and front lights in general and nicer interior.
well BRZ numbers (quantity) are much more restricted than FRS numbers, from what has been shown, so availability will be the deciding factor. realistically, the BRZ should be priced at 26,999 given the extras in order for one to justify choosing the FRS if both are readily available at stealerships, anything less and the BRZ is the better value of the two
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well BRZ numbers (quantity) are much more restricted than FRS numbers, from what has been shown, so availability will be the deciding factor. realistically, the BRZ should be priced at 26,999 given the extras in order for one to justify choosing the FRS if both are readily available at stealerships, anything less and the BRZ is the better value of the two
Thats how I see it playing out as well.

$26.970 for the premium and just shy of $30K for the limited. Any closer and they wouldn't be able to make any money off adding options to the base model. People would just instantly go for the higher trim.
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well BRZ numbers (quantity) are much more restricted than FRS numbers, from what has been shown, so availability will be the deciding factor. realistically, the BRZ should be priced at 26,999 given the extras in order for one to justify choosing the FRS if both are readily available at stealerships, anything less and the BRZ is the better value of the two
Thats how I see it playing out as well.

$26.970 for the premium and just shy of $30K for the limited. Any closer and they wouldn't be able to make any money off adding options to the base model. People would just instantly go for the higher trim.
Egads, that would be horrible. All along, the BRZ has been positioned as having a cheaper MSRP than the WRX (comparing premium to premium and limited to limited). Given rumors that Subaru said it'll be priced near the FRS, I hope it'll be:
$24.2k FRS MT
$24.9k BRZ Premium MT
$27.2k BRZ Limited MT
I realize that BRZ pricing is probably optimistic given its exclusivity, older target market, and feature-sets:
  • BRZ Premium: HIDs, LEDs, touchscreen stereo w/ navigation
  • BRZ Limited: fog lights, heated seats & mirrors, dual & auto HVAC, keyless, leather/alcantara, spoiler
But anything above $25.5k and $27.9k for the BRZ would surprise me (and even at those prices I'm likely to go with the FRS).
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:21 AM   #1267
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Am i the only one questioning fr-s over brz now
if its near the Same price almost with better hids and front lights in general and nicer interior.
I think the simple answer is you go with the FR-S if you:

1. are price sensitive (the difference makes or breaks your decision)
2. You don't care about the difference in equipment
3. You prefer the front end of the FR-S.
4. You prefer the suspension tuning of the FR-S.

I'm 2, 3, and 4. 3 and 4 are a bigger driver than 2. If I did want the base equipment, I'd be more likely to have it added to the FR-S (ending with a potentially higher sticker price) than the base BRZ.

For some I suppose you could also add Subaru has the option to do additional dealer markup, which immediately turns me off. I don't even negotiate with dealers like that, I just walk away if MSRP is not the starting point.
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For some I suppose you could also add Subaru has the option to do additional dealer markup, which immediately turns me off. I don't even negotiate with dealers like that, I just walk away if MSRP is not the starting point.
As does every Scion dealership. Pure Price means you don't haggle: the ADVERTISED price is the price you pay. Their advertised price could be OVER MSRP as long as it's advertised.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:06 PM   #1269
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As does every Scion dealership. Pure Price means you don't haggle: the ADVERTISED price is the price you pay. Their advertised price could be OVER MSRP as long as it's advertised.
There have been folks on both side of the Scion MSRP/Pure Price debate including folks that sold Scions. I've never bought from Scion so I can't speak to it, although my reading of it falls in line with what you are sayig. I do know the dealer I'm buying from sells directly off the manufacturer's sticker.
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But anything above $25.5k and $27.9k for the BRZ would surprise me (and even at those prices I'm likely to go with the FRS).
I may join you. I didn't realize til just today upon visiting the Scion website that the A/T is $26k, which means the BRZ Prem Auto will probably be over a $$$$ more. for me that's pushing it, especially when you throw in t+l+r here in CA. still want a BRZ prem A/T though.
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Old 03-27-2012, 11:34 AM   #1271
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you know i was a huge stickler for the "this car needs to be under 25k" club. and when the price came out i was a bit disappointing, but then someone posted a pic of the dark blue on and automatically i was like: TAKE ALL MY MONEY!!! i have come to realize that i do not car how much hp it has vs. competitors, how much cargo room it has, whether or not it has a push button start, leather seats. i just don't car about all that extra crap all i want this car to do is be awesome and it has that standing still. maybe ill test drive the gen coup and mustang but this car is stunning. and hey i used to drive a 98 v6 camaro and i loved it. i didn't car that it was slow i loved it the same. and with that said im glad the interior dimensions that motor trend posted are a slight match (2" less shoulder room) to my camaro.
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Old 03-27-2012, 11:57 AM   #1272
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Hey all, I just went to Scions home page and the "build your scion" part is down. I wonder if they are updating it with the FR-S stuff?
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:04 PM   #1273
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Hey all, I just went to Scions home page and the "build your scion" part is down. I wonder if they are updating it with the FR-S stuff?
Not down for me, came right up. No FRS
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