2013 Scion FR-S Priced at $24,200 ($24,930 after destination)

[OrbitalEllipses]

Stock speedos read high. Actual speed my not meet GPS readout of speed.

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Stock speedos read high. Actual speed my not meet GPS readout of speed.

Ok, but where do we have evidence that is the case, are we just assuming its off ?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

Ok, but where do we have evidence that is the case, are we just assuming its off ?

Assumption. Real 0-60 figures are VBOXed anyway, so they're not looking at the speedo.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

Ok, but where do we have evidence that is the case, are we just assuming its off ?

Yea, the inside line test used external instrumentation instead of the speedo, and found that they needed to go into 3rd to hit a true 60mph.

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Assumption. Real 0-60 figures are VBOXed anyway, so they're not looking at the speedo.

Alright, but pretty darn close, seems a little trivial, but that's just me.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Secondly, they made a joke of 0-60 by having 2nd gear top out before 60

I'm gonna wait for this to be confirmed by someone who uses 93. It makes sense for ECU to not let it rev high with 91 octane.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by clayrush

Perhaps I am wrong but if greddy already has a 600hp drift car, I would think it would be likely to translate in to some sort of FI kit in the future.

It is called a EJ swap.

[86fanatic]

I wouldn't take those drift cars too seriously. Different engine, drive train, and suspension, those factory drift teams also tend to have a 7 figure + budget for building out the cars. Doesn't really map to any consumer applications directly.

Look at the old Scion tC drift car. NASCAR V8 engine, RWD, you don't see too many tCs on the road with hand me down parts from that car.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

I think it's pretty hilarious what things have come to...Toyota said this is a car that's not about the numbers and are taking this to the extreme, and is trying to sell it in America where people care ONLY about the numbers.

First of all they drove off a portion of buyers considering manual transmission in the US by not specifying an alternative shift schedule, which might not matter since selling more autos makes them more money, but it looks bad on paper when a Mustang appears to get the same fuel economy. Secondly, they made a joke of 0-60 by having 2nd gear top out before 60, and it's going to cost them sales.

Let's see what they bring to the table with an upgraded version...

I think this is a great thing. Look at all the Internet forum commenters, and even people on this forum, and all you see is people saying how it's too slow and it will get beat by minivans etc. This to me means all the brotatos and flat brimmers out there will stay far away from this car, and only people who really get what the car is about will buy it. This will help the car avoid ricers and dumb kids and give it a cleaner image to the rest of the world that doesn't care about 0-60 and 1/4 mile times and epenis size.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

I'm gonna wait for this to be confirmed by someone who uses 93. It makes sense for ECU to not let it rev high with 91 octane.

While I think 93 will help the time since it should gain a bit of low end, I don't think 91 will cause the rev limiter to kick in earlier. Not sure, but I can't think of a reason why 91 would make the engine not able to do the last few hundred revs.

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

I think this is a great thing. Look at all the Internet forum commenters, and even people on this forum, and all you see is people saying how it's too slow and it will get beat by minivans etc. This to me means all the brotatos and flat brimmers out there will stay far away from this car, and only people who really get what the car is about will buy it. This will help the car avoid ricers and dumb kids and give it a cleaner image to the rest of the world that doesn't care about 0-60 and 1/4 mile times and epenis size.

I actually agree, but on the other hand this aggressive...anti-marketing? I'm concerned that they won't be able to keep the car alive this way. If they see that the American market isn't responding well, that doesn't bode well for us American consumers.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

While I think 93 will help the time since it should gain a bit of low end, I don't think 91 will cause the rev limiter to kick in earlier. Not sure, but I can't think of a reason why 91 would make the engine not able to do the last few hundred revs.



I actually agree, but on the other hand this aggressive...anti-marketing? I'm concerned that they won't be able to keep the car alive this way. If they see that the American market isn't responding well, that doesn't bode well for us American consumers.

I don't think it is anti marketing, I think they are just marketing towards a different crowd. They are saying lets ignore the 0-60, 1/4 mile, and hp wars and just make a car that is fun to drive. Let people who care about bragging rights buy other cars and let people who just want a good driver's car buy this one. I think that despite the large number of loud obnoxious people on the Internet complaining about these disappointing numbers, the vast majority of people don't care. They will test drive the car and decide for themselves whether it feels fast enough, without ever looking up 0-60 times or caring.

[86fanatic]

I think for the most part people get and understand the car. From the other thread the majority of people voted "still buying" when the price was released.

There are some "loud empty cans" who keep rattling on the forums and bringing up Mustangs and Camrys, but the silent majority seem pretty happy with it.

I think once you actually test drive it all doubts will fade, and you will understand the numbers don't matter.

[Guff]

Originally Posted by Born2Drive

I will say 2-3K overpriced for this underpowered, cheap material inside and low on features car.
They should fire those people who design the interior(both Toyota & Subaru).

And, I am very disappointed that they launch as shitty Scion brand in US.

Please go back under your bridge.


We don't like trolls.

[dookie11]

Originally Posted by Guff

Please go back under your bridge.


We don't like trolls.

But trolls are good at defending middle earth... Daddy, can we keep him? LOLZ