Need feedback on air bags suspension

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Originally Posted by xxscaxx

You don't know what you are talking about, so you probably shouldn't make statements claiming you do.



What issues did you have? Been DD my BRZ for a year now on bags, not one single issue.

I'd probably say install error, because bags are the most practical thing ever lol

- bent airlift strut
- fitting failure x2
- bag failure
- compressor failure
- psi cutoff failure
- line failure (ran in car too)

I probably put 25k miles on my car in the time period I owned them. It was a great ride, but wasn't practical in the end. If I were to go back I probably would have upgraded my management. (I think I would have had less issues)

A little self whoring. With the car air'd out it sat on the tires rendering it immovable. Hence why busting a line, fitting, or bag was a pain in the ass. :

[spitfire481]

I had 25k miles on my previous Gti setup and I never changed a thing. Drained the tanks of moisture once a year and rolled on

[xxscaxx]

Besides the compressor and psi cutoff failure, all of those sound like install or drive error. I mean it could have just been accidental but usually a properly installed setup will be completely reliable unless of a hardware issue/malfunction. Even if the compressor is not mounted correct it could cause the piston to seize.

Either way that sucks you had so many issues but for me it's been pain free minus tracking a small leak or two which ended up being fittings not tight enough.

[Createddeleted]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Besides the compressor and psi cutoff failure, all of those sound like install or drive error. I mean it could have just been accidental but usually a properly installed setup will be completely reliable unless of a hardware issue/malfunction. Even if the compressor is not mounted correct it could cause the piston to seize.

Either way that sucks you had so many issues but for me it's been pain free minus tracking a small leak or two which ended up being fittings not tight enough.

Having a big turbo setup at the time didn't help. It just multiplied issues all over. I think I had bad luck. I just don't ever want to be stranded again. But now that I have a brz to daily I could entertain another air setup on the GLI

To the OP, if you do a bag setup. Do it right and spend the money the first time around. Get the management you would like. And don't go with manual control. Lol

[Createddeleted]

Originally Posted by AdamBomb518

Go bags. I daily drive my car and if you get a brand new quality setup, you have a lot less of a chance of issues.

If air was unreliable, you wouldn't see every single tractor trailer, dump truck, metro bus, etc. running it on every one of their vehicles.

This is always a good point. Counter to my "I'm not going to daily bags again" personal belief.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

You don't know what you are talking about, so you probably shouldn't make statements claiming you do

Thank you for telling me what I know, because you're inside of my head and had the same experiences I've had. Clearly you know what I'm thinking, and can think better than me.

Just because you have had a great practical experience with bags doesn't mean you're the average case, sure that's what everyone should expect, but not everyone does.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

Thank you for telling me what I know, because you're inside of my head and had the same experiences I've had. Clearly you know what I'm thinking, and can think better than me.

Just because you have had a great practical experience with bags doesn't mean you're the average case, sure that's what everyone should expect, but not everyone does.

I don't have to be "inside your head" to know. You make a blank statement stating "well you are more inclined to pop/rip a bag" with no fact or experience to back up your claim.

The chances of you popping a bag is SO unlikely. 9/10 times it is install error, or driving error. The bag will not simply pop or rip unless there is some sort of defect in the bag, which is always a possibility obviously, but highly improbable.

If you rip or pop a bag, you either did not check clearance correct so your bag is rubbing against the shock tower or something else, OR you are running a stupid amount of PSI in the bag and drove down a road that was filled with 2 foot deep potholes.

I have experience with this stuff, and i'm simply saying that if its installed correctly, the chances for issues are very minimal.

[CSG David]

Hmm...I don't know what to say to the OP.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

I don't have to be "inside your head" to know. You make a blank statement stating "well you are more inclined to pop/rip a bag" with no fact or experience to back up your claim.

The chances of you popping a bag is SO unlikely. 9/10 times it is install error, or driving error. The bag will not simply pop or rip unless there is some sort of defect in the bag, which is always a possibility obviously, but highly improbable.

If you rip or pop a bag, you either did not check clearance correct so your bag is rubbing against the shock tower or something else, OR you are running a stupid amount of PSI in the bag and drove down a road that was filled with 2 foot deep potholes.

I have experience with this stuff, and i'm simply saying that if its installed correctly, the chances for issues are very minimal.

Quality coilovers and a quality air suspension will both ride better than stock.

Air suspension have more parts, use rubber (rubber<metal no matter the durability of the rubber, the metal will always be more durable)

Coilovers are made out of all metal, won't corrode easily (still talking about decent systems here) and most likely have less problems to deal with than air suspension.

I understand bags can be reliable. I would be that person always worrying about debris on the road scratching or possibly puncturing the bag. I can take coilovers through the grit, mud, dirt, shitty debris ladened roads, and have no worry in the world.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

Quality coilovers and a quality air suspension will both ride better than stock.

Air suspension have more parts, use rubber (rubber<metal no matter the durability of the rubber, the metal will always be more durable)

Coilovers are made out of all metal, won't corrode easily (still talking about decent systems here) and most likely have less problems to deal with than air suspension.

I understand bags can be reliable. I would be that person always worrying about debris on the road scratching or possibly puncturing the bag. I can take coilovers through the grit, mud, dirt, shitty debris ladened roads, and have no worry in the world.

You are still making very general statements

I understand what you are saying, but unless you run over a giant chunk of metal, nothing is puncturing that bag. You will blow your tire out before you break that bag lol.

Hey look at that thread floating around how that coilover from one of the forum members snapped and almost caused him to crash his car. Shit happens.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

You are still making very general statements

I understand what you are saying, but unless you run over a giant chunk of metal, nothing is puncturing that bag. You will blow your tire out before you break that bag lol.

Hey look at that thread floating around how that coilover from one of the forum members snapped and almost caused him to crash his car. Shit happens.

I mean shit happens yeah, but that wasn't exactly a quality coilover then again, I haven't ever seen that kind of coilover failure, ever. I know general statements, but it's the common sense thought. if you live in an area with constant debris that isn't normal road debis, probably not the best idea to run bags. Then again if I had the money to buy an air system I would buy some JRZ RS or Öhlins...

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

I mean shit happens yeah, but that wasn't exactly a quality coilover then again, I haven't ever seen that kind of coilover failure, ever. I know general statements, but it's the common sense thought. if you live in an area with constant debris that isn't normal road debis, probably not the best idea to run bags. Then again if I had the money to buy an air system I would buy some JRZ RS or Öhlins...

What about cups on JRZ RS Pros, Ohlins TTX, TEIN SRCs, Penske...oh wait...nobody even thought of that...

[asdf]

if op is looking at stance, ksport, and bc as his coilover options... don't think he would be looking to drop $ on a quality air kit...

save up and do it right the first time whichever you decide...

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by CSG David

What about cups on JRZ RS Pros, Ohlins TTX, TEIN SRCs, Penske...oh wait...nobody even thought of that...

I haven't heard much about Penske, or Öhlins TTX.