Inside Line - BRZ Full Test Review

[Spaceywilly]

I don't understand when getting on the highway became such a **** measuring contest. Do people just cruise around cloverleafs waiting for a challenger to come along? I don't really care if SUVs have better 0-60 times, that isn't the point I this car.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

To some people, no it is not worth it. How often will the average person driving to work/school in their BRZ take the car to that limit where "those pivotal split seconds as the limit of grip approaches"? How often? Sure I guess on an on/off ramp to the freeway. Or zooming in to the office parking lot to get that parking spot closest to the door. Zoom.

The average person won't appreciate it. That is why we are a unique group of enthusiast. Most people will buy the higher hp car. Just look at the number of Mustang/Camaros sold compared to a RX8/S2000.

Wouldn't that apply to any car people buy? You forget this car is "marketed" at the enthusiast. We can't speak for Mary Joe who just buys one because it's sexy.

Most Enthusiast that are true enthusiast I believe are intelligent enough to know the difference and where the FR-S/BRZ's price comes into play.

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Still doesn't represent real world scenarios where someone wants to take care of the car that they personally paid for. Sure some 17 yo who got the car from their parents might launch from 5500rpm in their FRS. But the majority of us interested in the BRZ are more mature than that. We want to take care of our car and not abuse it. Do as you please. I will take Edmunds and some of the other reviewers numbers over MT's "abusive relationship with a car that they don't own" any day.

Btw, MT is also one of the companies I believe who uses a 3 ft roll out for 0-60 times. Edmunds does not.

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding what this has to do with launching at 5500rpms. If the car broke launching that high, then you can say it's an unrealistic launch point. That doesn't have anything to do with if you baby your car or not though. So, people who want to extract the most potential are not "real world". Only the grocery getters? I don't get it? The object of a drag run is to run it as fast as you can....otherwise wth are you doing out there. And if you aren't visiting the drag strip and it's just your cruising machine, why would you care about 0-60, 1/4mile...etc. You essentially bought it to look good in, so just do that...don't get why bother trying to refute mag numbers because they launched higher than other mags.

In my area, I see Z06 vettes being driven by mid-life crisis dude who are doing under the speed limit on the interstate. Does that represent the cars performance in the real world?

I just don't follow man sorry.

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

The mustang GT stopped quicker than the brz.. Interesting.. Might need to put on better pads..

Or better tires since that will probably make a bigger difference assuming the stock pads aren't cmpletely horrible.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I'm not complaining about the 0-60 times at all. I was just stating the 6.4 that MT got is very liberal/optimistic and a number that many of us won't experience since we most likely would not do to our car what would be required to get to that number. I'm just stating that a more conservative launch that some of the other reviews have been doing are more likely representative of what we would feel comfortable with (obviously can't speak for everyone since people treat their cars differently). 0-60 times are NOT the selling point of this car. But ~6.9-7.1 sec is probably a more fair representation of this car than the 6.4s that MT got. That was all I was trying to say. YMMV

The same argument can be made the exact opposite, which is why this is only your opinion and does not represent Fact. Fact is what the car produced.

Can someone find a source saying how MT uses a 3 foot roll out?

[zoomzoomers]

All this talk about 0 - 60 times coming from guys who say they're not interested in 0 - 60 times. Fuggeddabbouiiiddd...

[Stigmaru]

But you're not John Force, are you? Neither are we, which is why we realize that the BRZ's respectable 69.1-mph slalom speed and striking 0.92g on the skid pad are more definitive of its character than is its acceleration. Those numbers are better than both the 2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe (67.4 mph slalom, 0.89g skid pad) and the 2011 Ford Mustang GT (67.3 mph slalom, 0.91g skid pad).

NICE

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding what this has to do with launching at 5500rpms. If the car broke launching that high, then you can say it's an unrealistic launch point. That doesn't have anything to do with if you baby your car or not though. So, people who want to extract the most potential are not "real world". Only the grocery getters? I don't get it? The object of a drag run is to run it as fast as you can....otherwise wth are you doing out there. And if you aren't visiting the drag strip and it's just your cruising machine, why would you care about 0-60, 1/4mile...etc. You essentially bought it to look good in, so just do that...don't get why bother trying to refute mag numbers because they launched higher than other mags.

In my area, I see Z06 vettes being driven by mid-life crisis dude who are doing under the speed limit on the interstate. Does that represent the cars performance in the real world?

I just don't follow man sorry.

Sorry I don't follow you and how you think clutch drops at 5500rpm represents anything that the average driver would do.

[86fanatic]

I also don't follow. According to Dragonitti you are either taking the BRZ to the drag strip, or you bought the car just to look good in. There is no in between.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

I also don't follow. According to Dragonitti you are either taking the BRZ to the drag strip, or you bought the car just to look good in. There is no in between.

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

All this talk about 0 - 60 times coming from guys who say they're not interested in 0 - 60 times. Fuggeddabbouiiiddd...

Bingo.
This - and any car really - should be about feel.
I realise the reviewers need to chart stats as part of a comprehensive review, but unless you are entering a competition with the car, the numbers it can produce are irrelevant.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

I also don't follow. According to Dragonitti you are either taking the BRZ to the drag strip, or you bought the car just to look good in. There is no in between.

Some guys live their life 1/4 mile at a time

[WhiteGDB]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

What the hell tires do you want on this thing?


these tires are STANDARD OEM TOYOTA PERFORMANCE TIRES!
Are they subpar for a performance tire? Yeah probably.
Are they horrible? No not really.

I bet you anything that when they were considering tire choice, they just looked in the parts bin catalog between Toyota and Subaru and said, hey these are PROBABLY the cheapest, highest performing tires we have available so we'll just toss these on.

BINGO!!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Can someone find a source saying how MT uses a 3 foot roll out?

Sorry my memory got foggy, R&T uses the 1 foot roll out:

"We do, however, still follow the NHRA drag-strip procedure of a 1-ft. rollout, where the time it takes a car to travel 1 ft. is subtracted from the raw times (this ranges from 0.2 second to as much as 0.4 sec. depending on the amount of wheelspin a vehicle sees at launch). Why this 1-ft. distance? At NHRA drag strips, timing doesn't begin until the vehicle has traveled roughly one foot."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/special-report/how-we-test


The reason that 1 foot rollout matters is cause it can affect the times by ~0.3 sec

Although the rollout distance is typically only a foot or so of a quarter-mile, it can affect the elapsed time by as much as 0.3 second, and to the serious gearhead, that's an eternity.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...nce-of-rollout



From my opinion Edmunds/Insideline perform the most fair and realistic test of cars. Here is what they say regarding the roll out test for 0-60:

A Few Words About Rollout
The term "rollout" might not be familiar, but it comes from the drag strip. The arrangement of the timing beams for drag racing can be confusing, primarily because the 7-inch separation between the "pre-stage" and "stage" beams is not the source of rollout. The pre-stage beam, which has no effect on timing, is only there to help drivers creep up to the starting position. Rollout comes from the 1-foot separation (11.5 inches, actually) between the point where the leading edge of a front tire "rolls in" to the final staging beam — triggering the countdown to the green light that starts the race — and the point where the trailing edge of that tire "rolls out" of that same beam, the triggering event that starts the clock. A driver skilled at "shallow staging" can therefore get almost a free foot of untimed acceleration before the clock officially starts, effectively achieving a rolling-start velocity of 3-5 mph and shaving the 0.3 second it typically takes to cover that distance off his elapsed time (ET) in the process.

We believe the use of rollout for quarter-mile timed runs is appropriate, as this test is designed to represent an optimum drag strip run that a car owner can replicate at a drag strip. In the spirit of consistency, we also follow NHRA practice when calculating quarter-mile trap speed at the end of the run. So we publish the average speed over the final 66 feet of the quarter-mile run, even though our VBOX can tell us the instantaneous speed at the end of the 1,320-foot course, which is usually faster.

On the other hand, the use of rollout with 0-60 times is inappropriate in our view. For one, 0-60-mph acceleration is not a drag-racing convention. More important, it's called ZERO to 60 mph, not 3 or 4 mph to 60 mph, which is what you get when you apply rollout. While it is tempting to use rollout in order to make 0-60 acceleration look more impressive by 0.3 second, thereby hyping both the car's performance and the apparent skill of the test driver, we think it's cheating.

Nevertheless, some car magazines and some automobile manufacturers use rollout anyway — and fail to tell their customers. We've decided against this practice. We publish real 0-60 times instead. But in order to illuminate this issue and ensure we do justice to every car's real performance, we've begun publishing a clearly marked "with rollout" 0-60 time alongside the primary no-rollout 0-60 time so readers can see the effects of this bogus practice.

http://www.insideline.com/features/h...nd-trucks.html

[dsgerbc]

Actually, come to think of it, with so-so tires and enough HP to spin them clutch dumps won't hurt as much. Until one installs stickier tires...