Inside Line - BRZ Full Test Review

[SUB-FT86]

With all things said. I still love the FRS/BRZ and hope that they sell well enough to bring others to the market.

[Jason]

Inside line is using 91 octane fuel instead of the 93. It's written on the right of the written review. They don't have the best performance possible I think. Maybe that's what's missing to get the 6.5 to 60.

[Dragonitti]

Subaru plans to sell 500 cars monthly in the U.S. beginning April 20. Exact pricing won't be announced for several weeks, but a Scion FR-S, which lacks the 2013 Subaru BRZ's navigation system will sticker at $24,930 including delivery. A base WRX sedan — which also lacks navigation, but comes with a turbo, all-wheel drive and four doors — can be had for $26,345 (including destination). The BRZ is considerably smaller and simpler than a WRX so we're putting our money on a base price with destination around $26,000.

Looks like you BRZ people will be waiting quite some time to pick up a BRZ, being that the news from the reviews is that it will be like 1 BRZ per dealer, per month.

There are complaints of the FR-S price tag. If the base BRZ starts at $26k and all you get is some cosmetics...umm curious to see that reaction.

Originally Posted by Bang Uchiha

Standard HID, Nav and nicer seats! Im sold vs the Scion.

Probably late to the party but this is the first I heard them say standard for these things!

Here in lies the problem. By the time you get it all said and done, I guesstimate you will be walking out with a $30k tag on the Limited edition. Hmm...mean while, I walk out with say $26k, knowing I'm going to swap seats for Sparco's, swap rims for something better, probably drop on the GT86 head lights or similar aftermarket ones.

Same car for a cheaper price knowing I'm going to change crap anyway...FR-S is the obvious buy (not that I was going to buy the BRZ anyway, but you get what I mean).

[engee]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Look at what tires were used for those tests and then come back.

THIS!!!

0.92 g on skidpad with Michelin Primacy HP 215/45-17.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....del=Primacy+HP

Throw on some good tires and !

[arkybrz]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Looks like you BRZ people will be waiting quite some time to pick up a BRZ, being that the news from the reviews is that it will be like 1 BRZ per dealer, per month.

There are complaints of the FR-S price tag. If the base BRZ starts at $26k and all you get is some cosmetics...umm curious to see that reaction.

It feels like people waiting on the FRS were upset that the car wasn't free, hence their complaining. The $20-22k expectation some FRS owners had was a little delusional.

From what I've seen here, people are expecting a range of $25k to $28k so I dont think there will be a similar response unless it comes in way above that.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Jason

Inside line is using 91 octane fuel instead of the 93. It's written on the right of the written review. They don't have the best performance possible I think. Maybe that's what's missing to get the 6.5 to 60.

Part of that is because they are testing in Cali. Can't really get 93 there.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I'm going to swap seats for Sparco's, swap rims for something better, probably drop on the GT86 head lights or similar aftermarket ones.

Don't be surprised when the insurance denies your medical claim, cause you compromised OEM SRS system.

[gaveup]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Look at what tires were used for those tests and then come back.

That's fine. Stock tires, I get it. But given the price, you would think they wouldn't cheap out on tires no?

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Don't be surprised when the insurance denies your medical claim, cause you compromised OEM SRS system.

Hmm really? Have you heard/read of situations that this has happened. Makes sense that they would try to get out of paying out if they can.

Originally Posted by gaveup

That's fine. Stock tires, I get it. But given the price, you would think they wouldn't cheap out on tires no?

Tada mentioned they wanted tires to make the car tossable and fun to drive. That is why they didn't go with super sticky tires.

[xrs]

Originally Posted by arkybrz

It feels like people waiting on the FRS were upset that the car wasn't free, hence their complaining. The $20-22k expectation some FRS owners had was a little delusional.

From what I've seen here, people are expecting a range of $25k to $28k so I dont think there will be a similar response unless it comes in way above that.

Ummm...free...rite...I believe folks (including myself) are just annoyed the car wasn't under or low $24k INCLUDING destination. The car IS very basic. More like $22 - $24 for the base FRS is what everybody was hoping for I'm assuming. I woulda been downright happy with their price at $24,200 WITH destination. Unfortunately they decided to slap everyone in the face probably saying "oh, let's sneak it under $25k's by knocking off $60, then knock off the destination charges so it looks like its in the low $24k's". I'm still getting the car but I'll still be annoyed.

[86fanatic]

Originally Posted by gaveup

That's fine. Stock tires, I get it. But given the price, you would think they wouldn't cheap out on tires no?

The car has tires good enough to have fun with, won't wear fast, and deliver good all around performance. I don't see the problem.

People are trying too hard to put a number on this car and say "That's why it's good". This isn't a numbers car, it's the complete package. It's not meant to slay cars on the track, or even at the auto cross, it's meant to emphasize driver involvement and enjoyment. Period.

That it's exactly what many of us have been waiting for, no additional power necessary.

[Bristecom]

In my opinion, power is important to a point. But I think it's more about the feel of the power band rather than the actual numbers. For example, I drove an S2000 and it felt too high strung for me. It didn't really push me back in the seat unless I went on/off throttle at high revs. But you could tell at higher RPMs, it was fast. And I've driven a lot of Evo X's and those have very little power down low but on boost at high RPMs, it feels almost too fast! And that's the problem with a lot of high HP cars, you have to go unsafely fast to have fun.

Now my current car makes pretty good power but sometimes I wish it had just a little more. The BRZ/FRS will have better hp/weight ratio than my current car but will have less torque/weight which may mean it lacks that pushing feel. However, I am pretty confident that I will like the power band and character of the engine more than any other NA 4 cylinder.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by xrs

Ummm...free...rite...I believe folks (including myself) are just annoyed the car wasn't under or low $24k INCLUDING destination. The car IS very basic. More like $22 - $24 for the base FRS is what everybody was hoping for I'm assuming. I woulda been downright happy with their price at $24,200 WITH destination. Unfortunately they decided to slap everyone in the face probably saying "oh, let's sneak it under $25k's by knocking off $60, then knock off the destination charges so it looks like its in the low $24k's". I'm still getting the car but I'll still be annoyed.

I agree 100 percent and if the BRZ premium starts at $25K, the FR-S is not is over priced. Simple as that. Why do people not get that? Your getting HIDS and a navigation for $800 more. A deal! And the Limited may only going to be $2k more than the premium...maybe even a bit less.

Now what will make the FR-S a better deal is that it is probably going to be way lighter (Closer to 2600 pounds) and maybe faster stock 0 to 60 MPH. And the bespoke is really standard and they decided in the end to add the HID headlights.

Come on Scion don't let Subaru kick your ass in pricing!

Come on Subaru release the pricing of the BRZ!

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by 86fanatic

The car has tires good enough to have fun with, won't wear fast, and deliver good all around performance. I don't see the problem.

People are trying too hard to put a number on this car and say "That's why it's good". This isn't a numbers car, it's the complete package. It's not meant to slay cars on the track, or even at the auto cross, it's meant to emphasize driver involvement and enjoyment. Period.

That it's exactly what many of us have been waiting for, no additional power necessary.

The tires and rims are going to be the first thing to replace on these cars. They are the weak link. But most stock rims and tires suck anyways.

But hey this car did good in the slalom and the skidpad! With better tires and lighter forged rims it will do even better.