FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[tranzformer]

WoW, I wasn't offended by your choice of words at all. In fact I liked it. Kinda like a degree of accomplishment putting all the repetitive threads together. It was great.

[poormans_LFA]

i have a different perspective on the moderator thing than what's been stated, but that's for another thread another time, or not.

anyways- whether or not the GC pulls similar numbers it's still heavy and as a consequence less fun. plus, i can't fit in it, so there.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

Hahaha sorry sorry, my usage of curse words knows no bounds. I was pretty ecstatic to merge the 7 active genesis threads at wee hours of the night after i finally put my daughter to sleep.

As far as inappropriate..yes it was. But being inappropriate or appropriate isnt nessesarily part of the job description for most mods across the forum universe.

Im just like you guys..and just because im a mod doesn't mean i have to act differently. Perhaps it was my personality that got me in this position to begin with. So despite my power id rather use it to to keep the forum organized, rather than target members behaviors/personalities. Unless their obvious trolls and spam bots.

But anyway thanks for calling me out on my behavior ill try to keep it more PG .

Happy foruming!

Why U delete my snarky mean posts???


Heh, fartsakes...


On topic:

With the original GenCoupe there were suspension geometry concerns about aftermarket lowering removing most of the car's bump travel and decreasing dynamic camber. Have any tuning companies had a look underneath to see of this has been improved on the 2nd gen?

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Was that for the 2013 2.0T R-Spec?


The 2013 3.8 R-Spec does:

Skidpad- 0.91g
Slalom- 68.1


Price wise, the 3.8 R-Spec compares favorably against the BRZ Limited.

Edit: Maybe "compares favorably" isn't the best use of words. But it does offer a lot of performance for a price that is going to be close to what we expect the limited to be priced around. Add in that most GC go for around invoice.

The performance isn't a big difference in the handling department. Also take a look at the slalom and 0-60, 1/4 mile times on a 2.0T Track model from insideline.

http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/ge...and-video.html

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The performance isn't a big difference in the handling department. Also take a look at the slalom and 0-60, 1/4 mile times on a 2.0T Track model from insideline.

http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/ge...and-video.html

The 2.0T is lighter, has better weight distribution and also has less weight hanging out over the front of the car compared to the 3.8 GC. That was why I was asking.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

The 2.0T is lighter, has better weight distribution and also has less weight hanging out over the front of the car compared to the 3.8 GC. That was why I was asking.

Exactly!

The GC isn't a big slouch in comparison. But on feel that's another thing.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

ALL FUCKING GENESIS THREADS MERGED!!


Cleanups are in the works...thank you for your understanding and usage of search function

LONG LIVE THE BRZTHERHOOD!

^^^ Nice, lol.

Seriously, when will these Hyundai fanboys just take the hint. If we are interested in the Gen coupe, we'll drive it and make our choice. We don't need you to tell US how to spend OUR money. Offer something constructive or piss off...

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

I find it inappropriate for mods to say such words buttercup.

especially when I can't say ****pit.


EDIT - just saw the rest of your post: Exactly, I don't want the car. That's why I'm in the 86 vs. GC thread.

So why are you here then? You realize this is a FRS/GT86/BRZ forum right?

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Huh? If you have lower center of gravity, the weight is naturally more evenly distributed between left and right when turning, so you can have less stiff springs for the same grip/body roll.

That does not quite lick it. Yes, when you have lower COG the *distribution* of weight transfer between the left and the front wheels is more evenly. That is the effect because of reduced loads, not the cause. Furthermore, the more evenly distribution does not impact the choice of suspension, the reduced loads are the cause that one can use a softer suspension with lower COG car. However, you also need to consider the required piston travel length for the shocks even if your load is reduced.

In fact, this can be summarized by Brian Beckman from No Buck Racing Club: The effects of weight transfer are proportional to the height of the CG off the ground. A flatter car, one with a lower CG, handles better and quicker because weight transfer is not so drastic as it is in a high car.

Originally Posted by serialk11r

I think low center of gravity is important for a road going car, because it allows you to enjoy the same level of grip with softer suspension and higher ride height. Remember, dropping this car 1 inch will give it lower center of gravity than an LFA! No doubt that this helps a little bit in ride comfort.

So now we know that with lower COG the effect of weight transfer is reduced, thus better handling and quicker speed to turn around. I still do not see how that can be translated into *softer* suspension, and thus helping in ride comfort.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

Hahaha sorry sorry, my usage of curse words knows no bounds. I was pretty ecstatic to merge the 7 active genesis threads at wee hours of the night after i finally put my daughter to sleep.

As far as inappropriate..yes it was. But being inappropriate or appropriate isnt nessesarily part of the job description for most mods across the forum universe.

Im just like you guys..and just because im a mod doesn't mean i have to act differently. Perhaps it was my personality that got me in this position to begin with. So despite my power id rather use it to to keep the forum organized, rather than target members behaviors/personalities. Unless their obvious trolls and spam bots.

But anyway thanks for calling me out on my behavior ill try to keep it more PG .

Happy foruming!

I find it inappropriate that whinging 6!tc4es keep complaining. Also, I object to you keeping it more PG. C0ckpit.

[WingsofWar]

lonewolf ..lets just drop it..i think its ok for people to come on here and debate. Some are going to love it some wont..regardless we wont turn people away.

I know a few Honda devout guys that went to the Nissan camp soly because that particular nissan community was more welcoming. Not because either cars were superior over the other.

Despite our differences in taste and opinions I think we should still try to respect those people ...especially the Genesis community members who disprove of the FRS/BRZ. As long as they remain respectful to us.

We have plenty of high HP power RWD and AWD guys in this forum excited for this car, which says something about this car that cant be quantifiable.

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by Matador

I find it inappropriate that whinging 6!tc4es keep complaining. Also, I object to you keeping it more PG. C0ckpit.

I heart you so much

[MikeNSX]

I just got back from driving a new 2013 3.8 Track model Genesis Coupe.

A few random thoughts:

1) The car looks far better in person than it does in pictures. The car I drove was red and red looks amazing on it. They had a white Genesis Coupe at the dealership as well (which was the color I thought I might want to buy if I go that route), but the red looked better to me at least.

2) Performance wise, it was no slouch. The car only had 20 miles on it when I left the lot, and because of this, I didn't want to over rev the car, but I did run up to the 5000-6000 rpm range. Jumping onto the interstate on ramp, I got up to 100 mph as I merged and it got there really quickly. Seems as fast in a straight line as my NSX.

3) Handling and stopping was great, as one might imagine with a Track model with Brembo brakes, 19" wheels and 140 treadwear Bridgestone RE050 tires. Those tires will sure cost some big $$$ to replace (in probably less than 8000 miles).

4) The interior was very nice...far nicer than the interior in the BRZ I looked at (through the window) last week (at the stupid dealership who invited me to test drive it and wouldn't even let me sit in the car and wouldn't even open the door for me to look in).

Overall, the Genesis Coupe is a pretty darn good car. The car I drove did sticker for $34k, so if I happen to choose this car over the BRZ, I'd most likely go with a 2.0T R-Spec which still has the 19" wheels and Brembo brakes, but only cost about $27k.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

That does not quite lick it. Yes, when you have lower COG the *distribution* of weight transfer between the left and the front wheels is more evenly. That is the effect because of reduced loads, not the cause. Furthermore, the more evenly distribution does not impact the choice of suspension, the reduced loads are the cause that one can use a softer suspension with lower COG car. However, you also need to consider the required piston travel length for the shocks even if your load is reduced.

In fact, this can be summarized by Dr. Brian Beckman from No Buck Racing Club: The effects of weight transfer are proportional to the height of the CG off the ground. A flatter car, one with a lower CG, handles better and quicker because weight transfer is not so drastic as it is in a high car.



So now we know that with lower COG the effect of weight transfer is reduced, thus better handling and quicker speed to turn around. I still do not see how that can be translated into *softer* suspension, and thus helping in ride comfort.

The springs are resisting the transfer though, right? So if the transfer is reduced by the lower CoG, we can use softer springs.