Inside Line - BRZ Full Test Review

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Huh?

Dang, 5500 rpm clutch drop? Yeah that no way represents a real world figure.

What does that mean..."represents a real world figure"? You mean no one is going to launch at 5500rpms? If that's the case, I would say you were mistaken. Not to mention, not all cars optimal launch at the same rpms. There is no "universal fit" rpm for every car. This is what he launched at (mind you, they aren't even on a drag strip), so it's just as real world as any other rpm launch. I imagine it needs to launch in the sweet spot of the powerband.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

And that's not worth $24,930 (speaking of the FR-S here, which should have better turn in than the BRZ)? GTFO!

To some people, no it is not worth it. How often will the average person driving to work/school in their BRZ take the car to that limit where "those pivotal split seconds as the limit of grip approaches"? How often? Sure I guess on an on/off ramp to the freeway. Or zooming in to the office parking lot to get that parking spot closest to the door. Zoom.

The average person won't appreciate it. That is why we are a unique group of enthusiast. Most people will buy the higher hp car. Just look at the number of Mustang/Camaros sold compared to a RX8/S2000.

[Snoopyalien24]

Heh, not much negative



..at all

[poormans_LFA]

If you're the kind of enthusiast whose car must be able to hammer down freeway on-ramps with its tires ablaze, the BRZ isn't your car.

until Greddy,HKS and others offer a turbo kit.

[QUOTE]and a six-speed automatic — perhaps the only one ever well suited to this kind of car — is optional and will cost about $1,200 if it follows traditional Subaru pricing strategies. Shift paddles offer full control over the gearbox and downshifts are perfectly rev-matched.

this auto sounds like a masterpiece. love that it's been programmed for rev-matched downshifts.

Then consider the fact that Subaru's BRZ lacks adjustable dampers, throttle and steering calibrations. It has no complex electronic means of torque delivery and it can't be had with a sunroof or — mercifully — as a convertible. It is simple, relatively uncomplicated and wholly uncompromised. Despite this, it is one of the most rewarding cars we've ever driven.[QUOTE]


zero complexity ='s more fun. IMO. so tired of all the gimmicky overboosted steering systems and hookie-pokie dampers. get it right using the essentials, not computers.

Perhaps there's a lesson here. If this is all that's required to make a sports car with elegant control, engaging feedback and enlightening limits, we have only one question:
Why isn't every manufacturer doing it?

tis a very very good question. bring on some true competition!!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

What does that mean..."represents a real world figure"? You mean no one is going to launch at 5500rpms? If that's the case, I would say you were mistaken. Not to mention, not all cars optimal launch at the same rpms. There is no "universal fit" rpm for every car. This is what he launched at (mind you, they aren't even on a drag strip), so it's just as real world as any other rpm launch. I imagine it needs to launch in the sweet spot of the powerband.

Still doesn't represent real world scenarios where someone wants to take care of the car that they personally paid for. Sure some 17 yo who got the car from their parents might launch from 5500rpm in their FRS. But the majority of us interested in the BRZ are more mature than that. We want to take care of our car and not abuse it. Do as you please. I will take Edmunds and some of the other reviewers numbers over MT's "abusive relationship with a car that they don't own" any day.

Btw, MT is also one of the companies I believe who uses a 3 ft roll out for 0-60 times. Edmunds does not.

[poormans_LFA]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

MT's "abusive relationship with a car that they don't own" any day.

from my sig it sure looks like it, don't it?

[Sportsguy83]

Motortrend has 0-60 at 6.4 seconds liking this car more by the second.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ed_first_test/

[brillo]

I'm not sure why people are really sweating the acceleration numbers, if you really need more power, there will be so many aftermarket options for these vehicles you'd think you'd bought a muscle car.

You realize what a non intercooled low boost supercharger (read easy install and low cost) could do for this cars performance given its weight?

[bambbrose]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Btw, MT is also one of the companies I believe who uses a 3 ft roll out for 0-60 times. Edmunds does not.

In the end, you should always use the same magazine for comparison.

Use Motortrends 6.4 to compare to their 5.1 for the V6 mustang, and their 6.5 for the Integra Type-R.

As long as the measuring stick is the same, does it matter if they are real world or not?

What the hell is the difference between 6.5 and 7.0 seconds in the real world? 2 blinks of an eye? HJ with sprinkles?

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

Motortrend has 0-60 at 6.4 seconds liking this car more by the second.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ed_first_test/

Just FYI in case you didn't notice it, it was most likely done under these circumstances

As I enthusiastically revved the BRZ's 2.0-liter, 200-hp flat-four up to 5500 rpm, or about 2000 rpm shy of redline, I dropped the clutch, and, unlike any Subaru before, the tiny coupe lit up its rear tires as if they were Ground Bloom Flowers on July 4.

Not sure what your standards are for situations like this.

[NumbersGuy]

Originally Posted by IntenseDVDA

And so it begins...

Road & Track - http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/dr...013-subaru-brz Note: R&T mentions the car will fit drivers 6'4 and below. FWIW, I'm 6'6 and I fit very comfortably in the BRZ.

I am not understanding how this is possible. Motortrend reports this car has 41.9 inches of front legroom. Which is less than a Z, which I can't fit in because my knees hit the steering wheel.

My Altima, has 44.1 and I have the seat all the way back and the steering wheel tilted and telescoped all the way and my knees just clear the steering wheel.

So I am concerned their is no way I will be able to drive this car, and I am 6'2. 6'3 with shoes on.

[poormans_LFA]

Originally Posted by brillo

You realize what a non intercooled low boost supercharger (read easy install and low cost) could do for this cars performance given its weight?

doesn't a supercharger also sap some of your hp since it's belt driven??

[titusdrake]

The mustang GT stopped quicker than the brz.. Interesting.. Might need to put on better pads..

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by roningtmobanne

To the OP who bann my account:


Dear OP i hope your undestand the legal implications of free speech violations, here, i past you the rules of the forum that i dout you read it before:


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In any of my post i havent brake any of this rules, my critics to the car have only express my sole opinion and neither of that contains obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening coments like the rules allready mentioned. You are in violation of a law, i just hope that you don't make the same mistake again

It wasn't the OP (original poster) who banned you. It was one of the mods/admin. They did what they felt they had to do. Your issue is with them and you should PM (private message) them with any complaint you might have. They are really reasonable. But they don't like people who troll.

Originally Posted by bambbrose

In the end, you should always use the same magazine for comparison.

Use Motortrends 6.4 to compare to their 5.1 for the V6 mustang, and their 6.5 for the Integra Type-R.

As long as the measuring stick is the same, does it matter if they are real world or not?

What the hell is the difference between 6.5 and 7.0 seconds in the real world? 2 blinks of an eye? HJ with sprinkles?

I'm not complaining about the 0-60 times at all. I was just stating the 6.4 that MT got is very liberal/optimistic and a number that many of us won't experience since we most likely would not do to our car what would be required to get to that number. I'm just stating that a more conservative launch that some of the other reviews have been doing are more likely representative of what we would feel comfortable with (obviously can't speak for everyone since people treat their cars differently). 0-60 times are NOT the selling point of this car. But ~6.9-7.1 sec is probably a more fair representation of this car than the 6.4s that MT got. That was all I was trying to say. YMMV