How to achieve -2.0 front Camber with stock suspension (if possible)? - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

glamcem · 03-28-2014, 02:54 PM

Thanks everyone

celica73 · 03-28-2014, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wepeel

I bet you could get -2 up front (and possibly more) by doubling up on the OEM available crash bolt. Someone else with a more structural background would have to comment on how advisable that is.

But I'd feel better with the OEM crash bolt vs. aftermarket - the threaded portion is still the same dia/pitch and the torque/clamping force is still the same as stock. The aftermarket ones (at least the SPC) are narrower and have a lower torque spec.

Can't double up the OEM crash bolts. I've got the OEM bolts (top hole) and some SPC bolts in the bottom hole to give about -2.3 degrees of camber at stock ride height.

Wepeel · 03-28-2014, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by celica73

Can't double up the OEM crash bolts. I've got the OEM bolts (top hole) and some SPC bolts in the bottom hole to give about -2.3 degrees of camber at stock ride height.

Ah, thanks, good to know. What is the reason?

ayau · 03-28-2014, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wepeel

Ah, thanks, good to know. What is the reason?

The bottom bolt IS the crash bolt. In other words, you're using the same bolt (same part #) for the top and bottom of the strut. The reason you're able to gain negative camber is because the top slot has a slightly bigger hole, so there's a little bit of wiggle room for you to push the rotor in.

See video below.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkq9dHiqWBY"]Scion FR-S BRZ Camber Crash Bolt Install DIY - YouTube[/ame]

was385 · 03-28-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by glamcem

I just wanted to see if there is a way to achieve -2.0 front and similar rear camber with stock suspension. I've searched and many people claim that the camber bolts help that as well as the camber plates and/or aftermarket control arms but I would rather not to use anything besides the camber bolts.

What kind of camber bolts did you end up using with the stock setup and how much of camber you gained?

I think the best route would be coilover and lower ride height to do that but I just want to be able to use my R compound tires (235/40/17 Nitto Nt01s with Enkei RPF1 17x9 +35mm wheels) with stock suspension for now to and upgrade it gradually.

Thanks in advance

Let's start with the rear... no, there is no way to get -2 degrees rear camber with just bolts on stock suspension because you can't use bolts for the back. The options for camber in the rear are bushings (pain to install and adjust), LCAs, or lower the car.

As far as the front, as many others have said, you're not going to get -2 out of just bolts. I think I got about -1.3 from mine. Slotting the struts could get you some more, though I know that a lot of people don't want to do that.

glamcem · 03-28-2014, 04:04 PM

It looks like the coilovers will be necessary to go over -2 neg camber. For those of who invested for the coilovers, what is your experience with them? What brand, drop and tire/wheel combo did you pick?

was385 · 03-28-2014, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by glamcem

It looks like the coilovers will be necessary to go over -2 neg camber. For those of who invested for the coilovers, what is your experience with them? What brand, drop and tire/wheel combo did you pick?

There are tons of threads in this section that cover that.

glamcem · 03-28-2014, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by was385

There are tons of threads in this section that cover that.

Yes, and I read so many of them. I was just asking your input to gather more and more data

Thanks again

solidONE · 03-28-2014, 05:11 PM

Lowering the car about an inch will get you .5* in the front and an additional 1* in the rear for something more than -2* rear camber.

Doubled up on the camber bolts with 1" drop will get you about -2.5*/-2.0* f/r or more.

Also, you CAN run camber bolts in the rear. Ask me how I know this.....

wheelhaus · 03-28-2014, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by glamcem

It looks like the coilovers will be necessary to go over -2 neg camber. For those of who invested for the coilovers, what is your experience with them? What brand, drop and tire/wheel combo did you pick?

I thought camber plates could also help reach beyond -2°?

Granted, many coilovers include adjustable camber plates, but some are designed to work with OEM struts.

leicaboss · 03-28-2014, 05:15 PM

FYI, I bought SPC camber bolts thinking I could achieve the advertised -1.75 camber.

Instead I was maxed out on -0.3 on the driver side, meaning I had to do the same on the passenger side to stay even. I'm lowered on Swift BRZ springs, stock struts, and only one set of those bolts.

solidONE · 03-28-2014, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by leicaboss

FYI, I bought SPC camber bolts thinking I could achieve the advertised -1.75 camber.

Instead I was maxed out on -0.3 on the driver side, meaning I had to do the same on the passenger side to stay even. I'm lowered on Swift BRZ springs, stock struts, and only one set of those bolts.

I think you might have installed it incorrectly... Lowering 1" alone will get you more than -0.3* without camber bolts. Unless you alignment was seriously off from the factory

glamcem · 03-30-2014, 08:20 PM

Ok , so as I understand I can use OEM camber bolts for upper hole and SPC camber bolt for the bottom so that should get me ~-2.0 negative camber for front. What kind of camber adjustment and number I can get for the rear @solidONE?

Thanks again

glamcem · 03-30-2014, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by solidONE

Lowering the car about an inch will get you .5* in the front and an additional 1* in the rear for something more than -2* rear camber.

Doubled up on the camber bolts with 1" drop will get you about -2.5*/-2.0* f/r or more.

Also, you CAN run camber bolts in the rear. Ask me how I know this.....

How do you know this ?

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