Are you waiting for Turbo? - Page 5 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Captain Snooze · 03-22-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nibor33

it's more fun to use 9/10ths of a car with lower potential than 5/10ths of a car with higher potential.

+1

tachi1247 · 03-22-2012, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blu_

No its not a different argument. Reliability and normal maintenance cost add up to the same thing over the long run. Im also saying this from the experience of owning a turbo subaru. And I never abused my STI.. when i traded it in after my 2nd issue with rod bearings they gave me an amazing trade in because the car was so well kept.

repairs and routine maintenance are definitely different things and maintenance costs aren't much higher for a turbo car in this class than a na one.

your car was as you stated a lemon and isn't typical. A factory turbo charged engine should last 100k miles if its not abused.

S2kphile · 03-22-2012, 10:59 PM

Gimme a supercharger.

Lost · 03-22-2012, 11:00 PM

I think you will be able to wrangle enough power out of the NA with mods that I won't want for a turbo. My first wrx only had 227hp and weighed more than a BRZ...

blu_ · 03-22-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tachi1247

repairs and routine maintenance are definitely different things and maintenance costs aren't much higher for a turbo car in this class than a na one.

your car was as you stated a lemon and isn't typical. A factory turbo charged engine should last 100k miles if its not abused.

Well I don't think we are going to agree, but it is a known issue that turbo subarus tend to have engine problems. And in my mind the cost of maintaining a vehicle includes "repair" work.

Buggy51 · 03-22-2012, 11:23 PM

Considering that it'd be most likely more expensive than the BRZ, highly unlikely I'd wait. I'm not a track guy, and at most I like to cruise around a little hilly area but that's about as exciting as it gets. Its the adventure of going to new places that seems fun.

86fanatic · 03-22-2012, 11:43 PM

Superchargers also have their own problems with heat soak and again added complexity. The throttle response penalty isn't as great, but nothing really beats a well built N/A motor.

I will be interested in a higher output N/A motor only for power gains.

dori. · 03-23-2012, 12:08 AM

If they officially announced a turbo version coming out within this year/next year, then yeah. Otherwise I'm fine with the BRZ as is.

tachi1247 · 03-23-2012, 12:16 AM

I don't think we will see a turbo version until after the new wrx so it will probably be fall 2013 at the earliest as a 2014.

Bristecom · 03-23-2012, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bambbrose

You paid $2500 for a T25???!!

LOL, well in total with labor and the hoses and stuff they replaced, yeah. I checked a few different repair shops and they all had the same price. I looked into getting a different turbo but I'd have to replace a lot of other parts to get it working and it wouldn't have a warranty and it would put more stress on an old engine and be less responsive. Sigh... and I just spent 3k on a new transmission. This car is killing me in repair costs. I need to retire it for snow duty and get the FRS as a daily driver.

tachi1247 · 03-23-2012, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bristecom

LOL, well in total with labor and the hoses and stuff they replaced, yeah. I checked a few different repair shops and they all had the same price. I looked into getting a different turbo but I'd have to replace a lot of other parts to get it working and it wouldn't have a warranty and it would put more stress on an old engine and be less responsive. Sigh... and I just spent 3k on a new transmission. This car is killing me in repair costs. I need to retire it for snow duty and get the FRS as a daily driver.

wow! You've spent $5500 repairing a 13 yr old car that cost 28k to begin with? I remember those eclipses and I loved them but that is serious coin to be dropping into a car that is probably only worth what you have put into it or maybe even less.

you should pick up a junker to drive around before something else breaks.

Bristecom · 03-23-2012, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tachi1247

wow! You've spent $5500 repairing a 13 yr old car that cost 28k to begin with? I remember those eclipses and I loved them but that is serious coin to be dropping into a car that is probably only worth what you have put into it or maybe even less.

you should pick up a junker to drive around before something else breaks.

I know... I compiled a list of things I've had to replace over the years and it adds up to over 10k. And there are still things I need to replace on it soon. I love the car but I'm ready for something that I can drive daily without worrying about what's going to fail next. I may be riding a motorcycle more often this summer but I still need something practical to drive. But I refuse to pay money for a normal boring car. Driving is about the only exciting thing I do in my life so if I had a boring car, I'd have no reason to live anymore. LOL

OrbitalEllipses · 03-23-2012, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmist27

i will buy this BRZ when it comes out... and then upgrade to the Turbo BRZ when that is available. simple

Yep. If a turbo BRZ doesn't come out, not a big fucking deal.

enzo15637 · 03-23-2012, 04:52 AM

I'd love a turbo BRZ, keep the turbo small and responsive and you'll have a direct cayman competitor on all fronts, for hopefully 1/2 - 3/4 of the price.

P.S. factory turbo cars are quite reliable and responsive, if ya don't screw with it i.e. (bigger turbo = lag or increasing boost on stock turbos = turbo and engine death)

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03-22-2012, 10:59 PM	#59
S2kphile Resident HoneyBadger Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Toyota Tacoma TRD Off-Road Location: The City Posts: 1,345 Thanks: 678 Thanked 680 Times in 339 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Gimme a supercharger.

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Lost Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: Carless... Location: SC Posts: 174 Thanks: 129 Thanked 43 Times in 24 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I think you will be able to wrangle enough power out of the NA with mods that I won't want for a turbo. My first wrx only had 227hp and weighed more than a BRZ...

03-22-2012, 11:23 PM	#62
Buggy51 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Drives: Put Put Location: CA Posts: 607 Thanks: 8 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Considering that it'd be most likely more expensive than the BRZ, highly unlikely I'd wait. I'm not a track guy, and at most I like to cruise around a little hilly area but that's about as exciting as it gets. Its the adventure of going to new places that seems fun.

03-22-2012, 11:43 PM	#63
86fanatic Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: auto Location: us Posts: 243 Thanks: 5 Thanked 43 Times in 19 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Superchargers also have their own problems with heat soak and again added complexity. The throttle response penalty isn't as great, but nothing really beats a well built N/A motor. I will be interested in a higher output N/A motor only for power gains.

03-23-2012, 12:08 AM	#64
dori. Señor Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: white BRZ 6MT Location: Rockland, NY Posts: 1,554 Thanks: 740 Thanked 374 Times in 248 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If they officially announced a turbo version coming out within this year/next year, then yeah. Otherwise I'm fine with the BRZ as is.

03-23-2012, 12:16 AM	#65
tachi1247 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: 04 BMW 330i & 03 Mazdaspeed Protege Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 403 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't think we will see a turbo version until after the new wrx so it will probably be fall 2013 at the earliest as a 2014.

03-23-2012, 04:52 AM	#70
enzo15637 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: white wrx 06 Location: Queenland Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd love a turbo BRZ, keep the turbo small and responsive and you'll have a direct cayman competitor on all fronts, for hopefully 1/2 - 3/4 of the price. P.S. factory turbo cars are quite reliable and responsive, if ya don't screw with it i.e. (bigger turbo = lag or increasing boost on stock turbos = turbo and engine death)

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