llcoolchris77 is a scammer.

[TIE Pilot]

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

http://forums.vwvortex.com/member.ph...48-Llcoolchris

This may be his vwvortex account.

Location is Nebraska. He said he just moved to Nebraska from Maryland.

His name is ralph here. One of his emails and his paypal name is Ralph Lauren.

His car is 82 quantaum. I don't know what that is.

Llcoolchrist listed about $1,000 worth of stuff "for sale"
@ http://forums.vwvortex.com/search.php?searchid=41478987


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[Turbo95eg6]

Originally Posted by TIE Pilot

Llcoolchrist listed about $1,000 worth of stuff "for sale"
@ http://forums.vwvortex.com/search.php?searchid=41478987


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Post a scammer thread on that forum?

[swpbrz]

L L cool Chris ........ that's so funny.

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

3 of his personal emails:

Ll.cool.chris@hotmail.com
llcoolchris77@gmail.com
ralphlauren19801@gmail.com

His dating site profile:

http://www.pof.com/member70118139.htm

Name: Chris Brown

This was his instagram introduction:
"Chris Brown 22 Single 1977 Volkswagen rabbit 2000 malibu (daily)"

supposedly his phone number 443

He even LOOKS like a douchebag.

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I'd just claim he refused to sell it without the gift payment and I was too stupid to realize the negatives... I doubt PP will go after his account UNLESS he has a history of gift payments.

I'll contact Paypal to see if there's anything I can do in this situation.

Thank you!

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

I make it a point never to pay anyone through paypal from a bank account.

CC only,

your bank don't care if you get fucked, cc company does

This is news to me. Thank you. I always used my bank account on Paypal.

[that_one_guy]

is that supposedly his phone number, or is that his actual phone number that you have used?

any contact from him in the last few days since this thread was posted?

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

I make it a point never to pay anyone through paypal from a bank account.

CC only,

your bank don't care if you get fucked, cc company does

Your bank doesn't care, PayPal cares. So there's two lines of defense:

1) PayPal (within their period for disputes)
2) Credit card company (if option 1 fails and assuming you paid with credit card)

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I

I haven't sold anything using PayPal. Is there any legitimate reason for a seller to insist on the gift option?

1) To scam
or
2) To not pay the credit card fees and pass the cost of doing business to the buyer.

To avoid this, ideally the admin should set concrete rules of either product w/ forum name on a piece of paper, or prohibit all sales with a "PayPal gift" option. All sales should be via normal PayPal or otherwise verified method of payment, to avoid these types of situations.

Yes, scammers will still try to game the system. However, by using a normal PayPal method of payment for a product, you as a buyer will be protected, and so will the seller.

Sometimes saving 3% means losing 100%.

-alex

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by that_one_guy

is that supposedly his phone number, or is that his actual phone number that you have used?

any contact from him in the last few days since this thread was posted?

My friend found that number by searching on Instagram. llcoolchris77 posted his phone number saying "text me more pictures of that car" or something. So, yes, it's his number.

He has NOT contacted me at all since last Wednesday.

I did give him couple warnings before making this thread since I didn't want to make a drama out of nothing.

I wanted to make sure that he knew I was going to make a scammer topic here. Emailed him saying that if he doesn't want to be called as a scammer, he can either refund me my $300 or send out the exhaust (if he really has it) by yesterday morning.

He didn't. So I made this thread.

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Your bank doesn't care, PayPal cares. So there's two lines of defense:

1) PayPal (within their period for disputes)
2) Credit card company (if option 1 fails and assuming you paid with credit card)



1) To scam
or
2) To not pay the credit card fees and pass the cost of doing business to the buyer.

To avoid this, ideally the admin should set concrete rules of either product w/ forum name on a piece of paper, or prohibit all sales with a "PayPal gift" option. All sales should be via normal PayPal or otherwise verified method of payment, to avoid these types of situations.

Yes, scammers will still try to game the system. However, by using a normal PayPal method of payment for a product, you as a buyer will be protected, and so will the seller.

Sometimes saving 3% means losing 100%.

-alex

This is a great idea. This is one of the trading rules over at msf.org (Mazdaspeed forum).

When the scammer was keep on insisting that I have to send him as a gift, I actually wanted to show him that gifting is not allowed on FT86 thinking it would be under the trading rules.

Surprisingly it wasn't in the rule book.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

When the scammer was keep on insisting that I have to send him as a gift, I actually wanted to show him that gifting is not allowed on FT86 thinking it would be under the trading rules.

Surprisingly it wasn't in the rule book.

Doesn't matter if it is in the rules or not... it's your choice to gift the money or not.

By using the gifting function, you are basically saying "I'm not expecting anything in return"

In the court of public opinion, the guy is an idiot. In a court of law, it's the other way around.

-alex

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Doesn't matter if it is in the rules or not... it's your choice to gift the money or not.

By using the gifting function, you are basically saying "I'm not expecting anything in return"

In the court of public opinion, the guy is an idiot. In a court of law, it's the other way around.

-alex

Yes, I do understand that it's my choice to gift the money or not. It's my fault of sending him the payment as a gift in the end. I obviously walked into this knowing that there's a chance of getting scammed. No doubt.

I tried everything to not send the payment as a gift when I first talked to him. Gave him couple different options. Even offered him $100 gift + $200 standard + 3% since he said he needed funds to send out the package.

I know I'm the idiot who gifted the payment in the end, but it's not like I tried to cover my ass from the get go.

[Prog]

I have no idea if this would work, but you could always dispute the charge with your credit card company if that's how you funded it. Since PayPal is a payment service and not the actual provider of the goods you were scammed out of, I'm not really sure if that'll fly, though.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Yes, I do understand that it's my choice to gift the money or not. It's my fault of sending him the payment as a gift in the end. I obviously walked into this knowing that there's a chance of getting scammed. No doubt.

I tried everything to not send the payment as a gift when I first talked to him. Gave him couple different options. Even offered him $100 gift + $200 standard + 3% since he said he needed funds to send out the package.

I know I'm the idiot who gifted the payment in the end, but it's not like I tried to cover my ass from the get go.

Honestly if this was the situation, I'd just offer to pay extra for the 3% on his end.

This way you still get a great deal and he still gets his $300 or whatever sale price was. Everyone wins.

... but look at it this way. Even if it was an in-person cash transaction and you sold something, who is to say the other person isn't paying with counterfeit money? If a 3rd party system is set up to protect both buyer/seller and offer a dispute/mediation service, always take advantage of that.

-alex