2013 Scion FR-S Priced at $24,200 ($24,930 after destination)

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Tell this to that german company that has been making certain cars for a while... What are they called, oh ya 911. Seat layout is a foolish detrmining factor, hahaha.

So what about the differences between a 911 and a GT3? There are no seats in the back.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Both the GC and the FRS are not "pure" sports cars. They are both sporty coupes in two different size classes. In order for the FRS to be pure it would need to get rid of the back seat and push the engine back further therefore making it optimally balanced, lighter and more focused instead of hauling kids or people in the back. A Miata, Elise and a S2000 follows what I just mention 100%. That's the true definition of NO COMPROMISES.

Most people would see a Porsche 911 as the prototype of a pure sports car and even it would not meet your criteria. I think you're talking about a specialized subset of the genre.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Tell this to that german company that has been making certain cars for a while... What are they called, oh ya 911. Seat layout is a foolish detrmining factor, hahaha.

You beat me to it... as to the 911/GT3 distinction, the GT3 belongs to an extreme subset of the "pure sports car" category - "track car" might be a good term, defining it by its primary purpose.

[pastuch]

Originally Posted by koyv90

can you give a review of the gen coupe?

Way ahead of you...
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...175#post161175

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

Most people would see a Porsche 911 as the prototype of a pure sports car and even it would not meet your criteria. I think you're talking about a specialized subset of the genre.

The 911 is still a GT sports car. Porsche made it softer than the GT3 on purpose to appeal to a broader audience. I have never seen a review where one can say the GT3 isn't a pure sports car in comparison to the base 911. Face it, automakers want to appeal to a broader audience so they softened up and optioned out cars and they become GT Sports cars. I even felt the Rx7 was more purer than the RX8 with back seats and back doors and other features added.

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by Linseal

First FR-S I've seen with fog lights...... hmmmmmmm I hope that means it's an option.

no options. lots of dealer installed accessories. fog lights, spoilers, air dams, interior lighting, etc will all be available just like every other scion. they may not be ready at launch but definitely within a month or two.

[gaveup]

Originally Posted by bFreed

You guys are funny. I'm on board with this price. My main concern is dropping sales for the 86 which would suck for them.

But I remembered all the stuff you get. It's worth the price just for the stout drivetrain.

350zs are mostly around $30k and they're not really that fast, strong, and they have really crappy interior. I'm happy.

And GC? Eh, who cares. Let's take them both to a road course.

Where are you seeing 350Z's for 30k? Hell, my 370Z was under 30k.

Personally, I think this car is priced too high for what it is. Keep in mind the FRS is the lowest trim of this car as well.

Do I think it's going to be a good car? Yes, it should be a ton of fun to drive. However, the pricing just put it in a weird area. I mean, if you wanted to spend less you could get a civic SI, GTi, or mazdaspeed 3. Yes, they are FWD, but they offer similar, if not better, performance. But then there are gencoupes which are RWD and close to the same price.

Then for the price of the FR-s, you could get a WRX. I don't see the FR-s being a better PERFOMANCE car over a wrx, but hey people will buy the cars they love

[maxeveland]

Originally Posted by Brett

Assuming 2%:

60 months: $17.53 per $1000 borrowed
48 months: $21.70 per $1000 borrowed
36 months: $28.64 per $1000 borrowed

Brett

What calculation did you use to come up with that

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The 911 is still a GT sports car. Porsche made it softer than the GT3 on purpose to appeal to a broader audience. I have never seen a review where one can say the GT3 isn't a pure sports car in comparison to the base 911. Face it, automakers want to appeal to a broader audience so they softened up and optioned out cars and they become GT Sports cars. I even felt the Rx7 was more purer than the RX8 with back seats and back doors and other features added.

911 is definitely a pure sports car. the gt3 is basically a track prepped 911 that is offered as a production model. The origin of that model along with the other gtX cars was to meet certain racing criteria tha required production of a certain # of vehicles be sold.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

911 is definitely a pure sports car. the gt3 is basically a track prepped 911 that is offered as a production model. The origin of that model along with the other gtX cars was to meet certain racing criteria tha required production of a certain # of vehicles be sold.

So then what do you call a 911 Turbo at 3600 lbs? I still consider the GT3 the pure one and I'm not saying it isn't a sport car.

[S2kphile]

Originally Posted by gaveup

Where are you seeing 350Z's for 30k? Hell, my 370Z was under 30k.

Personally, I think this car is priced too high for what it is. Keep in mind the FRS is the lowest trim of this car as well.

Where are you seeing 370's for 30K? Used? Invoice Pricing? Base 370z MSRP is over 30K+ new and that's the lowest trim.

Too much bitching & complaining bout FR-S price but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I'm just glad that Toyota & Subaru is actually making a car for this niche segment.

[borge12]

Originally Posted by S2kphile

I'm just glad that Toyota & Subaru is actually making a car for this niche segment.

The niche of 100,000/year.

[ahausheer]

Seeing that there are 30 or so pages to this thread and no one is reading more than the first, and the last 2 or 3, at best, here's what I have to say. Remember when ''The Dictator'' was on the red carpet for the Oscars, and was asked why his socks were from Target and not some high end fashion house, and he's like, ''Hey, Saddam Husein once told me, socks are socks, why waste money'' that was one of the greatest ad lib lines of all time.

I'm sorry but all this bickering is a bit of a waste.

[borge12]

Originally Posted by ahausheer

I'm sorry but all this bickering is a bit of a waste.

And what does that makes your comment complaining about the bickering?