Hit the exit ramp rail :(

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by dad&sonFRS

Well the car is insured under my uncle's insurance, he lives in conneticut. so he told them that i just borrowed the car for the day. so i'm hoping it all works out. The insurance knows i was driving , insurance tow truck is coming for the car in about an hour , i just want this all to go by , and i know , I'll make sure i pay out whatever is the increase on the insurance once its renewed. I'm not worried about the car too much , because i trust my mechanic , I'm more worried about how much higher the premium will be, but regardless i'll make sure i am responsible for that.

I'd be willing to bet that there are several crimes here in the nannny states of NY and CT.
Don't forget to add your uncle was with you, since you are under 18.

http://dmv.ny.gov/younger-driver/gen...tion-about-gdl

ETA: Wait. You are under 18 and driving with no paperwork, your dad is paying, and it's insured by your uncle who is out of state. Rest of the story, please...

[dad&sonFRS]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

I'd be willing to bet that there are several crimes here in the nannny states of NY and CT.
Don't forget to add your uncle was with you, since you are under 18.

http://dmv.ny.gov/younger-driver/gen...tion-about-gdl

ETA: Wait. You are under 18 and driving with no paperwork, your dad is paying, and it's insured by your uncle who is out of state. Rest of the story, please...

lol dad is paying for everything on the car ( technically its his, but he's nice enough to like basically have the car 23/7 lol , but its technically a conneticut car from my uncle. thats the whole story. but yeah whatever the increase is I'll pay for it.

[dad&sonFRS]

So i took a picture of where it happened , and if you look closely you can see where my tires went. It was a combination of that puddle and the dirt the followed, which explains the understeer and why the car didn't react. well, i guess it was just really bad luck and timing.

[chas3wba0]

Originally Posted by dad&sonFRS

So i took a picture of where it happened , and if you look closely you can see where my tires went. It was a combination of that puddle and the dirt the followed, which explains the understeer and why the car didn't react. well, i guess it was just really bad luck and timing.

Eegh that's a pretty sinister-looking puddle indeed.

Don't worry too much about the insurance premiums, no point living and driving in fear of something like that. You lose sight of what insurance was designed for, which is to help you get out of situations like this, not to punish you dearly for it.

Yea, they eventually gotta charge you a bit more to compensate for the cash-out, but they still want to keep your business so it's not in their best interest to jack up your rates ridiculously.

[dad&sonFRS]

Originally Posted by chas3wba0

Eegh that's a pretty sinister-looking puddle indeed.

Don't worry too much about the insurance premiums, no point living and driving in fear of something like that. You lose sight of what insurance was designed for, which is to help you get out of situations like this, not to punish you dearly for it.

Yea, they eventually gotta charge you a bit more to compensate for the cash-out, but they still want to keep your business so it's not in their best interest to jack up your rates ridiculously.

Thanks that actually helps a bit .. but its amazing to see how that small puddle of water, could lead me to coasting on dirt and then hitting that rail

[AznBRZer]

Originally Posted by dad&sonFRS

lol dad is paying for everything on the car ( technically its his, but he's nice enough to like basically have the car 23/7 lol , but its technically a conneticut car from my uncle. thats the whole story. but yeah whatever the increase is I'll pay for it.

Tromatic is probably hinting that there's some shenanigans going on in regards to the insurance. The car should be registered in the place that it's primarily parked. Your uncle's insurance company might not do any investigating, but being in another state could set off some bells.

[sweetfrs]

Originally Posted by dad&sonFRS

I tried but was going too slow, and revs were too low :'(

Damn man that sux

[Tainen]

1) When you encounter understeer, let off the throttle. DO NOT APPLY THE BRAKES. Off-throttle will recover the fastest, while lowering your steering input some. This gives the car the most amount of time and least resistance to re-gain traction, and at ~30mph, the car will recover traction very, very quickly and you'll be on your way.


2) Don't INCREASE steering input during an understeer, it will prolong the understeer event. Don't INCREASE tire loading in any way. It sounds like you did both- turned harder, and pressed the brakes hard. You need to train yourself not to panic and steer away from the curb more and slam on the brakes. You WILL crash. Which leads me to my 3rd pont-


3) Go to a car control clinic hosted by your friendly local BMW, Porsche, or other enthusiast driving club. They will teach you how to counter understeer, oversteer, extreme braking maneuvers, and many other scenarios. I personally consider this mandatory driver training for anyone that is on the road. Costs $100, and literally saves every driver that takes it many thousands of dollars in repair costs, insurance rate increases, etc.




ALL BRZ/FR-S drivers need this training- I can tell you the vast majority of the accident threads I've seen all can be corrected with a simple understanding of how to correct understeer or oversteer properly. People have learned how to drive with nannies for the last decade, and this has removed the knowledge of how to actually drive your car from the general population. Now you just turn the wheel and press the pedals, instead of DRIVE.

[chas3wba0]

Originally Posted by dad&sonFRS

Thanks that actually helps a bit .. but its amazing to see how that small puddle of water, could lead me to coasting on dirt and then hitting that rail

These cars are pretty volatile on the stock tires... I spun out on a wet on-ramp just from punching the gas in 3rd at 30mph

[Tainen]

Originally Posted by chas3wba0

These cars are pretty volatile on the stock tires... I spun out on a wet on-ramp just from punching the gas in 3rd at 30mph

Another example of what not to do.


You should never "punch" the gas while the wheel is turned, in a sweeper, on wet. Roll on if you want power. Smooth, progressive. Then if you overpower the tires, it's also smooth and progressive, and easy to correct.


RWD driving is hard. go to a car control clinic.

[AznBRZer]

Originally Posted by dad&sonFRS

So i took a picture of where it happened , and if you look closely you can see where my tires went. It was a combination of that puddle and the dirt the followed, which explains the understeer and why the car didn't react. well, i guess it was just really bad luck and timing.

Taking that picture is probably the smartest thing you did(if you were in MA anyways). In MA, you can appeal getting points on your driving record for situations like this. Just like getting a traffic ticket, you can get a hearing to state your case.

No one got hurt and that's the important thing. You can always make more money.

[illest86]

Feel ya. I pulled in to work one morning, totally wide awake, and grabbed a corner spot in the lot. As I pulled in, thinking there was plenty of room, I scraped the front right. When I got out it was probably about 3 times the size I suspected. Luckily I was able to cover it up with a touch up pen.

I totally understand that your problem is bigger. But we all make mistakes. You'll never catch me pulling into a spot that quick again. Ever...

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by Tainen

RWD driving is hard. go to a car control clinic.

[Dezoris]

This type of thing happens to everyone eventually. All suspension is stamped steel on the front. Looking at swapping in new control arms bolts, end links, strut, wheel bearing maybe steering rack. Only about 1k right there. Sheet metal is sheet metal no biggy.

Take it in stride, learn from it fix the pile and get back on the road.