E85 specific oil

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by whitefrs

Ive been using Motul 300v 5w-30 and i have no issues at all

Today will be my 2nd Oil Change using this.

I do it every 5k miles


I love boost!!!!!!

I've had no issues with Motul 8100 0w-30, problem is we will not know there are any problems until we get a (knock knock; who's this) sound...

I thought I was good, but didn't realize my oil behaves like a 40 weight oil which IMHO is too much for this engine. That is why I want alternatives. I would like to go with something more off the shelf than 300V. (Maybe that's the answer....)

@bluesubie

[shiro]

I've decided to use Mobil1 5W-30 for my new build. Reason, because in my area Mobil1 is more convenient to find and I would have to special order Motul. Plus, I've found a lot of places to price match Walmart's price. I get 5qts for about $24.99 (vs $37.99 at the auto parts stores) allowing for more frequent oil changes.

As for E-85's effects on Mobil1, I have not heard anything negative, but I personally do not have supporting facts, yet. I will have to see what the oil looks like when I do my next oil change.

After a long repair process, Full Blown is Dynoing my car today (19 Mar) and then I need to dump the oil since we just got past the engine break in phase. Maybe I can take some pictures of what the engine break-in oil looks like. I'll put in the same oil (Mobil1 5W-30) run it 3K-5K miles and hopefully get back. My first 400miles on this oil change with 91 octane & E-85 mixed (flex fuel kit :]) will be this weekend.

Overall, you can't go wrong with the higher end oil (hopefully with higher zinc).

(side note) I personally wanted to try Shell Rotella T6 oil (heavy duty engine oil) because of the high amounts of zinc and support for turbo'd engines. I've seen a few WRXs and Audis running this oil. However, I haven't seen it used with high octane fuel like E85 so that would be interesting.

Best of luck in your oil search

Edit:

Originally Posted by Reaper

Im going to try rotella turbo diesel oil on e85 and do a blackstone uoa after 2000miles and ill post it to this thread.

By the way, I would be really interested in your results on this oil. I've heard really good results from Shell's T6 oil on boosted cars (but not much on E85 yet).

[whitefrs]

Originally Posted by shiro

I've decided to use Mobil1 5W-30 for my new build. Reason, because in my area Mobil1 is more convenient to find and I would have to special order Motul. Plus, I've found a lot of places to price match Walmart's price. I get 5qts for about $24.99 (vs $37.99 at the auto parts stores) allowing for more frequent oil changes.

As for E-85's effects on Mobil1, I have not heard anything negative, but I personally do not have supporting facts, yet. I will have to see what the oil looks like when I do my next oil change.

After a long repair process, Full Blown is Dynoing my car today (19 Mar) and then I need to dump the oil since we just got past the engine break in phase. Maybe I can take some pictures of what the engine break-in oil looks like. I'll put in the same oil (Mobil1 5W-30) run it 3K-5K miles and hopefully get back. My first 400miles on this oil change with 91 octane & E-85 mixed (flex fuel kit :]) will be this weekend.

Overall, you can't go wrong with the higher end oil (hopefully with higher zinc).

(side note) I personally wanted to try Shell Rotella T6 oil (heavy duty engine oil) because of the high amounts of zinc and support for turbo'd engines. I've seen a few WRXs and Audis running this oil. However, I haven't seen it used with high octane fuel like E85 so that would be interesting.

Best of luck in your oil search

Edit:


By the way, I would be really interested in your results on this oil. I've heard really good results from Shell's T6 oil on boosted cars (but not much on E85 yet).

Send a sample to blackstone

I will be doing this with my 300v


I love boost!!!!!!

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Boosted, E85.

What oils would you recommend and what change interval? I know you are not going to give me one, but give me a list to choose from... PLEASE

I've been running Motul X-lite 8100 0W-30 since boosted....

I find it interesting that Subaru does recommend 5w-30 for the FA20DIT engine. Would seem that for a boosted application that is the way to go (same internals both).

You guys are treading new territory with boosting a new car model on E85. My recommendation would be to keep it stock on regular premium.

I believe X-lite was reformulated in the last year or so, but it is a thick 30 grade with a high HTHS. I used it once in my FXT, but for the cost, I wouldn't run it in anything if I went less than 5k on the oil. At the time, it was ester based (I think it still is) and has a lot of calcium for detergency/dispersancy.

On stock internals, I would probably go with something thinner. Motul Eco-nergy is a thin-ish 30 grade at 10.0 cSt's at 100C.

Originally Posted by whitefrs

Ive been using Motul 300v 5w-30 and i have no issues at all

Today will be my 2nd Oil Change using this.

I do it every 5k miles


I love boost!!!!!!

Another thick 30 grade. With the base stocks, high ZDDP, and high moly, I would just go with 300V 0W-20. Although if you're changing oil frequently (less than 4k miles), I wouldn't bother with Motul.

I always comment that our oil is very cheap here compared to some countries (try AUD $80-$100 for Mobil1 in Australia), but I can't believe the amount you guys pay for short runs on some of the most expensive oil in the U.S. . Maybe try some MPT Thirty K or Miller's Nanodrive.
http://www.mptindustries.com/mpt_pro...automotive.htm
http://matrixsyntheticoils.com/store...gine_oils.html

UOA's posted on this forum show that ester based, highly additized 0W-20's (300V and Red Line) hold up well in forced induction and tracked applications. Add some E85 to the mix, and that cuts down the oil change interval drastically. I think you guys just need to do more uoa's.

Since some of you love to spend money on oil, get an oil sample pump and do a uoa every 1k miles without draining the oil. This will provide a lot more insight than 1 or 2 random uoa's here and there. And skip Blackstone and hire your own personal tribologist. http://dysonanalysis.com/Dyson_Analy..._Advanced.html

You'll get the most complete uoa results available as well as an audio commentary. You'll also get the best oil recommendations for your application. Only thing is that you have to agree to sign an NDA so you won't be able to share much details (although you can still post your uoa's here).

-Dennis

[whitefrs]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

You guys are treading new territory with boosting a new car model on E85. My recommendation would be to keep it stock on regular premium.

I believe X-lite was reformulated in the last year or so, but it is a thick 30 grade with a high HTHS. I used it once in my FXT, but for the cost, I wouldn't run it in anything if I went less than 5k on the oil. At the time, it was ester based (I think it still is) and has a lot of calcium for detergency/dispersancy.

On stock internals, I would probably go with something thinner. Motul Eco-nergy is a thin-ish 30 grade at 10.0 cSt's at 100C.


Another thick 30 grade. With the base stocks, high ZDDP, and high moly, I would just go with 300V 0W-20. Although if you're changing oil frequently (less than 4k miles), I wouldn't bother with Motul.

I always comment that our oil is very cheap here compared to some countries (try AUD $80-$100 for Mobil1 in Australia), but I can't believe the amount you guys pay for short runs on some of the most expensive oil in the U.S. . Maybe try some MPT Thirty K or Miller's Nanodrive.
http://www.mptindustries.com/mpt_pro...automotive.htm
http://matrixsyntheticoils.com/store...gine_oils.html

UOA's posted on this forum show that ester based, highly additized 0W-20's (300V and Red Line) hold up well in forced induction and tracked applications. Add some E85 to the mix, and that cuts down the oil change interval drastically. I think you guys just need to do more uoa's.

Since some of you love to spend money on oil, get an oil sample pump and do a uoa every 1k miles without draining the oil. This will provide a lot more insight than 1 or 2 random uoa's here and there. And skip Blackstone and hire your own personal tribologist. http://dysonanalysis.com/Dyson_Analy..._Advanced.html

You'll get the most complete uoa results available with an audio commentary. You'll also get the best oil recommendations for your application. Only thing is that you have to agree to sign an NDA so you won't be able to share much details (although you can still post your uoa's here).

-Dennis

So if i stay with motul
What oil intervals u recommend?


I love boost!!!!!!

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by shiro

I've decided to use Mobil1 5W-30 for my new build. Reason, because in my area Mobil1 is more convenient to find and I would have to special order Motul. Plus, I've found a lot of places to price match Walmart's price. I get 5qts for about $24.99 (vs $37.99 at the auto parts stores) allowing for more frequent oil changes.

As for E-85's effects on Mobil1, I have not heard anything negative, but I personally do not have supporting facts, yet. I will have to see what the oil looks like when I do my next oil change.

After a long repair process, Full Blown is Dynoing my car today (19 Mar) and then I need to dump the oil since we just got past the engine break in phase. Maybe I can take some pictures of what the engine break-in oil looks like. I'll put in the same oil (Mobil1 5W-30) run it 3K-5K miles and hopefully get back. My first 400miles on this oil change with 91 octane & E-85 mixed (flex fuel kit :]) will be this weekend.

Overall, you can't go wrong with the higher end oil (hopefully with higher zinc).

(side note) I personally wanted to try Shell Rotella T6 oil (heavy duty engine oil) because of the high amounts of zinc and support for turbo'd engines. I've seen a few WRXs and Audis running this oil. However, I haven't seen it used with high octane fuel like E85 so that would be interesting.

Best of luck in your oil search

Edit:


By the way, I would be really interested in your results on this oil. I've heard really good results from Shell's T6 oil on boosted cars (but not much on E85 yet).

Mobil1's web site actually recommends M1 TDT 5W-40 for E85 applications, although I would never go this thick in a BRZ/FR-S on stock internals. I would be tempted to boost M1 0W-20 with Mobil1 Race 0W-30 or a little M1 0W-40 for the added detergency.

When M1 reformulated to API SN, many of their passenger car oil now have a similar detergent package as the diesel oils (lower calcium and higher magnesium). Check the VOA forum at bobistheoilguy.

-Dennis

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

On stock internals, I would probably go with something thinner. Motul Eco-nergy is a thin-ish 30 grade at 10.0 cSt's at 100C.


Another thick 30 grade. With the base stocks, high ZDDP, and high moly, I would just go with 300V 0W-20. Although if you're changing oil frequently (less than 4k miles), I wouldn't bother with Motul.



Maybe try some MPT Thirty K or Miller's Nanodrive.
http://www.mptindustries.com/mpt_pro...automotive.htm
http://matrixsyntheticoils.com/store...gine_oils.html

Anything else besides Motul Eco-nergy 0w-30?

I am open to all suggestions. If its something off the shelf better.

Amsoil, Mobile 1, Penzoil, anything...

Also where the other two suggestions semi-serious? Don't play with my heart

[whitefrs]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Anything else besides Motul Eco-nergy 0w-30?

I am open to all suggestions. If its something off the shelf better.

Amsoil, Mobile 1, Penzoil, anything...

Im with David

I paid 90 bucks on Motul lol

Maybe a waste of money


I love boost!!!!!!

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by whitefrs

So if i stay with motul
What oil intervals u recommend?


I love boost!!!!!!

I would take a sample at 2,500 miles without changing the oil and be sure to get TBN. If you want even more information about how long you should run your intervals, also get a TAN which is the Total Acid Number.

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Anything else besides Motul Eco-nergy 0w-30?

I am open to all suggestions. If its something off the shelf better.

Amsoil, Mobile 1, Penzoil, anything...

Also where the other two suggestions semi-serious? Don't play with my heart

Yes, semi-serious. They're good, robust oils (like 300V) but they're super expensive if you're running short intervals of 3k or less.

I would look into Red Line as well since it's usually $5.00 or so cheaper per quart. I would probably stick with 0W-20 with Red Line or 300V, but if I used an off the shelf oil, I would probably look into blending oils.

You need something thin on stock internals, but with enough detergents to handle the E85, and enough anti-wear additives to handle the forced induction. Too bad there aren't thinner diesel oils out there (yet). Amsoil has HDD 5W-30, but it's a very thick 30 with a high HTHS and does well in WRX's. It's pricey though, so you might as well stick with Red Line 0W-20 if you're spending that much.

I believe in Canada there are more 0W-30 HDEO options (although they're usually thick as well).

Pennzoil might be a good off the shelf oil. The new Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and Platinum are made from Gas to Liquid base stocks which have shown some very impressive specs (like low volatility). Pennzoil just had a Q&A about it at bitog. Too bad you guys didn't post your turbo/E85 questions there!
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/pennzoil-q-a/

If you have an oil pressure gauge, you can probably create blends of various grades to come up with an ideal mix (e.g. 5W-30 added to 5W-20, etc). And you might be surprised at some of the recommendations that you can get from oil companies. I've received great advice from Motul, Shell/Pennzoil, and Mobil1 that pertained specifically to my application (instead of the typical marketing mumbo jumbo of use what the manual says).

-Dennis

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

ENCICLOPEDIA.......


-Dennis

You are great Dennis, Legendary in my book. Thanks for all the knowledge.

I do have an oil pressure gauge. I want to avoid mixing though.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by whitefrs

Im with David

I paid 90 bucks on Motul lol

Maybe a waste of money


I love boost!!!!!!

I'm leaning here Will....

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[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

You are great Dennis, Legendary in my book. Thanks for all the knowledge.

I do have an oil pressure gauge. I want to avoid mixing though.

I just google.

-Dennis

[steve99]

Originally Posted by 504

Ambient temperatures shouldnt be the only way to judge what viscosity oil you run. Many people have raised concerns over tighter clearances in the engine leading to requirement of thinner oils. Also thicker oils tend to run hotter than a thinner one, its reduced flow leads to poorer cooling effect on critical engine components which is one of the oils main purposes. the Fa20 runs at around 95-100C, would a difference in ambient temperature from a "cold" 20C to a hot 40C really have a significant effect on oil temperatures(and hence viscosity)? you have to remember this car has no active oil cooling solution so oil temperatures arent directly proportional to ambient temps.

sorry for going slightly off topic

Agreed


However manual does state (Page 402) 5w30 is suitable and recommended for vehicles running high speed or loads. E85 = more power/more load.
the 0W is only required for cold starting in below freezing conditions

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by steve99

Agreed


However manual does state (Page 402) 5w30 is suitable and recommended for vehicles running high speed or loads. E85 = more power/more load.
the 0W is only required for cold starting in below freezing conditions

Interesting that yours actually lists 5W-30 (as probably most every other country). The U.S. manuals (I believe the Subaru manual was written by Toyota), does state that a thicker viscosity is recommended for high speed or loads but does not define the thicker viscosity.

-Dennis