Toyota FR-S : Official Name for the FT-86 Concept?

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yeah! That's right! Tell em! Tell em, MR-S was NA (cough cough TF300 series) & never came w Turbo factory (cough, cough TTE Turbo) w weak-ass 140hp (cough cough 184bhp)!!!!

ok i just searched TTE and TF300 and yeah they are better than the POS ones we got here in australia but jdm gets a whole smorgasbord of cars compared to the rest of the world

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Oh, you weren't sign up to hear that info. FT86 will be using Aisin AI tranny. Search "Tokyo Metapolis" and you'll find Hachiroku's thread on few faqs on FT86.

Anyways, US ver will be RWD. I'm betting that it's gonna have same bolt patter as current STI block. There's no benefit for Subaru to change the bolt patter on the block for Toyota, so Aisin AI will work around that.

I don't think swapping current STI engine isn't great idea on FT86. Engine drop in gonna be the easiest part... wiring is different story. You gotta be running full stand-alone to run it normal.

Also I think internal upgrade w bolt-on turbo gonna be cheaper & perform better than doing full STI swap.

agreed

[bigbcraig]

The FR-S, even though the engine is based on Subaru EJ, may not be compatable for swaps from older Subarus. Let me explain.

The newest evolution of the EJ block, used in the new Legacy GT, uses a front-mounted turbo - this means less lag, but no burble; and it would get in the way of the older Subie subframes.
SO, new EJ's in Lecagys use a different mounting place. There's to mounts in the back sides like earlier EJ's but then one front and center just under the crankshaft pulley (is what it looks like to me).

This is probably what Toyota took to modify, because it's the newest. Furthermore, the exhaust manifold shown in pictures of Geneva auto show etc. looks like the new Legacys and not like older subies.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Isn't the MR-S an MR-2? Look at the chassis codes: AW10, SW20, ZZW30.

First letter is for engine codes used, 2nd is chassis (all W), numbers are generation.

It is an MR-2. In fact it was called an MR-2 spyder in the rest of the world. Which makes me wonder why the "S" if this car is just going to be a coupe.

Originally Posted by nate89

The MR-S (spyder) is a different kind of sports car, like a miata or S2000. It's not in the same class as the MR2, supra, rx-7,R32-34 etc. I guess what I'm saying is it's more of a handling sports car vs the more classic raw-power sports cars.

....but it still is a sports car.

Originally Posted by 70NYD

omg u ppl need to get ur panties out of a bunch. i was stating my opinion. anyone in marketing can take a car and call it a sports car.. i know the MR-S has awesome handling, better than a whole heap of more powerful cars, but from factory it did not come with a powerful engine (1.8L 100KW r u kidding me...) if it came with a 2zz engine stock it would have been a different story in my books. and you cannot have a sports car with a piss weak engine. again this is my opinion, but state another "sports" car from the same era that had a engine that was that weak from factory... (even some motorbikes are more powerfull..)

How about you stop talking shit? Your "Opinion" does not define what a sports car is. This is why Mustangs, Holdens and Falcons are generally called "muscle cars" and not sports cars. They miss the most essential component of a sports car; handling.

Everybody knows the MR-S came with a piss weak engine from the factory. So does the Miata. A powerful engine does not a sports car make. In either case, the power is a turbo or a 2ZZ swap away.

anyway.. back on topic. Anybody stop to think that FR-S might be for another car that can drop the top?

[bigbcraig]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

anyway.. back on topic. Anybody stop to think that FR-S might be for another car that can drop the top?

Haha, no, what are you thinking? Of course since Toyota might be planning on using the name FR-S and trademarked it, that's applicable to the FT86. No possibility of it being for anything else.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

ok i just searched TTE and TF300 and yeah they are better than the POS ones we got here in australia but jdm gets a whole smorgasbord of cars compared to the rest of the world

Yeah, true that Japan get those awesome cars than rest of the world... but sadly, this TF300 only came out on Europe only. TTE stands for Toyota Team Europe.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

You know, I was thinking bout that too... only one that I can think of is smaller ver of ft86. Few months ago's rumor bout i4 engine w 109hp or something like that... but we haven't see the concept or final ver of that car, so idk

How small can it go? iQ size?
Well, back to topic. I think they should officially unveil the name already. What takes them so long?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dark

How small can it go? iQ size?
Well, back to topic. I think they should officially unveil the name already. What takes them so long?

I'm talkin' bout this one: Report: Baby Toyota FT-86 also in the works

Only thing I know is, I can't wait for Nov! Cuz that's when I'll be test driving FT86... not in the real world, but in game anyways

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

anyway.. back on topic. Anybody stop to think that FR-S might be for another car that can drop the top?

Sounds heavy

[nate89]

The only concern I have is that if toyota doesn't release a turbo version, then it could be fairly hard to turbo unless you run a full stand alone. Toyota sucks when it comes to making their car (at least recent ones anyway) tunable. If it comes turbo, then upgrading the turbo and stuff should be no problem. It's when you try to add a turbo that things get messy. Toyota really needs to make their ecu's flash-able, if only for this car. Hopefully since Toyota is using a Subaru engine, Subaru will also help develop the ECU. Does anyone know anything about the ECU?

Side note: A EJ20H (twin turbo) would be pretty sweet!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by nate89

The only concern I have is that if toyota doesn't release a turbo version, then it could be fairly hard to turbo unless you run a full stand alone. Toyota sucks when it comes to making their car (at least recent ones anyway) tunable. If it comes turbo, then upgrading the turbo and stuff should be no problem. It's when you try to add a turbo that things get messy. Toyota really needs to make their ecu's flash-able, if only for this car. Hopefully since Toyota is using a Subaru engine, Subaru will also help develop the ECU. Does anyone know anything about the ECU?

Side note: A EJ20H (twin turbo) would be pretty sweet!

Hm... you don't need to run full stand-alone to run a turbo. You just need a black-box or aka sub ecu to run the turbo... but I do agree that they should make this car easy to tune ecu.

side note: No, I don't want twin turbo on boxer. It's already complicated engine as is, I don't want another JDM Legacy. Also there you gonna put 2 turbos in there? Subaru have hard time putting one turbo in. Last time they put 2 turbos in their car, they regret doing it.

I prefer Supercharger instead. Cuz if you set up the SC well, SC will cancel the crappy low end tq on 2L engine. That's the main problem people are complaining w 2L turbo WRX & STI.

[eatrice]

Why isn't the FT-86 name or FR-S name listed in Toyota's website of concept cars?? Do we have higher hopes for this car to be produced then we should?? The closest thing on the Toyota website is the FT-HS which is a similar looking hybrid. I am debating between buying a Genesis coupe now or waiting on FT-86.

[2jz-gte4life]

Originally Posted by eatrice

Why isn't the FT-86 name or FR-S name listed in Toyota's website of concept cars?? Do we have higher hopes for this car to be produced then we should?? The closest thing on the Toyota website is the FT-HS which is a similar looking hybrid. I am debating between buying a Genesis coupe now or waiting on FT-86.

Stay far,far away from the genesis, they are crap.

They look nice and has some power but quality is shit and you will regret it, trust me, if you have a car right now keep it and keep saving, look for the new rx-7 in 2012 to turn heads

[Matador]

Originally Posted by bigbcraig

Haha, no, what are you thinking? Of course since Toyota might be planning on using the name FR-S and trademarked it, that's applicable to the FT86. No possibility of it being for anything else.

lol...

I meant specifically this


or this

[Matador]

Originally Posted by nate89

The only concern I have is that if toyota doesn't release a turbo version, then it could be fairly hard to turbo unless you run a full stand alone. Toyota sucks when it comes to making their car (at least recent ones anyway) tunable. If it comes turbo, then upgrading the turbo and stuff should be no problem. It's when you try to add a turbo that things get messy. Toyota really needs to make their ecu's flash-able, if only for this car. Hopefully since Toyota is using a Subaru engine, Subaru will also help develop the ECU. Does anyone know anything about the ECU?

Side note: A EJ20H (twin turbo) would be pretty sweet!

Toyota's ECU have always been notoriously hard to crack. They are neigh fucking un-hackable.