Intake dilemma

[YMAA]

I installed a K&N filter into the stock airbox a few weeks after I got the car and didn't notice much difference in how the car behaved. A few months ago I installed a Perrin CAI with the intake tube and while I didn't feel a huge difference in performance the sound alone makes the mod worth it for me. I should mention I also got the CAI kit on sale. Had I had to pay full price I probably wouldn't have bothered.

That being said, if the OpenFlash Header was available at the time I was shopping for the intake, I probably would have gone for that. Way more performance per dollar that route.

[jonbonazza]

I got the AEM intake pretty much just to clean up the engine bay a bit. It's prettier, while still maintaining an OEM L&F.

[cjsporl1996]

I spent a lot of time on the forums researching CAI when I finally decided to get the the K&N drop in filter. To be honest most CAI on the market for our car either showed minimal gains or they actually reduced performance. I would suggest getting the Perrin intake tube and a k&n drop in filter. You could also modify the intake snorkel duct. Subaru and Toyota did a very good job when they designed the OEM intake and currently I don't believe anyone has surpassed the excellent design.

Edit: I do believe the Perrin CAI (the one that sits within the bumper) provides good results but i do not think the results were worth the money. Plus you have to remove the bumper every time you need to clean the filter.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by m.wood0213

That and OFT only supports OEM (for a reason.)

Just a slight correction, it's the OTS (off the shelf) maps that are tuned for the stock airbox. OFT definitely supports MAF scaling and tuning to run any intake you want.

[JC0830]

Originally Posted by cjsporl1996

I spent a lot of time on the forums researching CAI when I finally decided to get the the K&N drop in filter. To be honest most CAI on the market for our car either showed minimal gains or they actually reduced performance. I would suggest getting the Perrin intake tube and a k&n drop in filter. You could also modify the intake snorkel duct. Subaru and Toyota did a very good job when they designed the OEM intake and currently I don't believe anyone has surpassed the excellent design.

Edit: I do believe the Perrin CAI (the one that sits within the bumper) provides good results but i do not think the results were worth the money. Plus you have to remove the bumper every time you need to clean the filter.

Yea..think I'm heading in the same direction as you lol. I got the k&n filter and now am thinking about getting an intake tube. I'm considering the supertek tube though.

And I agree, the perrin CAI does seem to have good results but the fact you have to remove the bumper to install/clean the filter is not worth it for me. So that's why I was considering and asking about short rams.
Which brings me back to my original dilemma..Injen, AEM, or Takeda. b/c now it seems if I get one of those short ram intakes PLUS a tune, it will remove issues ppl are having such as CEL (hopefully) AND result in better gains than intake tube + drop in filter

[???]

Exactly


For me, there is no glide in pulse and glide :p

[JC0830]

Originally Posted by ???

Exactly


For me, there is no glide in pulse and glide :p

sorry, when you say 'Exactly', I'm assuming you are confirming that intake with a tune will result in greater gains but are you also confirming that it will resolve electronic issues such as CEL?

and I have read you post on the other thread, but if you had to choose an intake from your list (Takeda, Injen, and Grimmspeed) which one would you choose?

[???]

I'm saying ur making a good choice of intake and tune but ur also right in saying there will probably not be a CEL. I'm not sure which one if choose. I really like that grim speed has taken a lot of time and done a lot of R&D but Takeda and injen are also great choices. I'd have to look around a little I'll let u know later on. I would hav to look at the intake showcase again. I'll probably do it in a couple of hours.


For me, there is no glide in pulse and glide :p

[robtan]

i went with perrin inlet tube and hks filter. Butt dyno says its good, i don't normally buy into cai or any intake for that matter, but i wanted to get rid of the sound tube. This was the cheapest way out.

[JC0830]

Originally Posted by robtan

i went with perrin inlet tube and hks filter. Butt dyno says its good, i don't normally buy into cai or any intake for that matter, but i wanted to get rid of the sound tube. This was the cheapest way out.

tbh, I am a noob at this tuning thing..this is actually the first car I am modifying lol. So when you say the sound tube, it's that box right next to the air box right? What's the purpose of that? Is it to make that rumbling sound when you accelerate? I thought that was from the resonator on the exhaust?
And what do you mean the 'dyno says its good'? ^^;;

[???]

The sound tube is a little tube coming out of the intake pipe that is routed to the cabin. Not all cars have it but this one does. It gives you the sound of the engine (not exhaust. The intake has a deep, throaty sound mixed with a bit of a suction sound. The exhaust sound is different.) if you get rid of the sound tube because you put an aftermarket intake, the aftermarket intake's design will also give you that cool sound. The resonators I. The exhaust actually take sound away. They don't change the sound though. They just quiet down the exhaust a little just like a muffler and they minimize rasp in the exhaust note.

When he says the butt dyno says it's good he means that he is satisfied and can feel the difference when he steps on the gas pedal.

On the other hand, I did my research. dsport claims a 5.6 whp gain on the injen and a 6.3 whp gain on the Takeda. The Takeda is cheaper so obviously based on that data the Takeda is better and a better bang for the buck. I'm not sure if that is so accurate though because they did not break down the top performers in each category online. I think they only did that in the magazine. They do have that for the exhaust showcase though. The K&N drop in is still the best bang for the buck. 4-5 whp for around $100. Don't do the filter and intake tube because for around the same money, you can just get a whole intake from Takeda and get better gains. If I were you, I wouldn't want to wait for grim speed to release their product, but I probably would. I would definitely get a tune from EcuTek too.

Id modify the exhaust first because changing the header for $600-$900 will completely eliminate the torque dip, give you 12-15 whp right out of the box, not have any drone, and give you sound when you want it. Is also upgrade the rest of the exhaust first and DEFINITELY a tune (this car's ecu is said to be bipolar meaning that it only performs well from the factory when it wants to. It depends on the weather conditions which is part of why people can baseline anywhere from 155whp to 175 whp.) if you just upgrade the header, get a wideband o2 sensor and take it to your local EcuTek tuner. A full exhaust and tune will run you around $3000 and will net you gains of 35whp EASILY. The intake will get you 5-6whp for $300-$40" and a tune and an intake will be a little over $1000 and will net you gains of around 12-15whp. If you are limited on money and just want to modify your car very simply, cheaply, and gain 5 horses, go with the drop in filter. That does not require a tune, but if you go with the whole intake, I would recommend it. You might just want to have it tuned without upgrading the intake and get an easy 10 horses for $750. I can't tell you what to do because it's your car, I don't know your budget, and I don't know what you use it for. It would help if you gave me a little more info.


For me, there is no glide in pulse and glide :p

[???]

Remember that everything I mentioned is a bolt-on part with the exception of the tune, so as long as you can tell the difference between a gas pedal and a headlight, you can do this yourself with some basic hand tools. Unless you know how to tune the car yourself, which i highly suggest you don't if you haven't done it and don't know how, just go to EcuTek's website and find your local tuner.

Some info I might need to help you out:
What state you live in
What the weather is normally like
What you want from the car
Any previous modifications
Which you use it for (track day, autocross, DD'ing (daily driving), hauling friends or stuff around, etc.)
If applicable, how often would you go to the track and what track (tight corners, long track?)
Anything else you might think is helpful.

Btw the injen and Takeda intakes for this car are not CAI, so you don't need to take the bumper off to clean the filter.


For me, there is no glide in pulse and glide :p

[???]

I forgot what dsport said but they also said that there was one of the intakes that could only generate noticeable power if you hav an EcuTek tune but I forgot which one. The article online doesn't have everything. The magazine also had each intake tuned and compared tune vs. w/o a tune for every intake. Sorry but I just saw the article sitting on the newsstand. I don't have the actual magazine.

Btw, sry for the triple post.


For me, there is no glide in pulse and glide :p

[zooki]

Okay, just to clarify, CAI means "Cold Air Induction". It doesn't matter where the filter is located, just where the air in pulled from. The stock intake setup? CAI. The Takeda intake? CAI. The AEM intake? CAI. The Injen intake? Not CAI. As long as the intake pulls air from outside the engine compartment(like from in front of the radiator) it is a CAI.