Tada Tetsuya Announces Updated 86 Will Be Coming... Soon

[torqdork]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

I disagree, simple fix when pretty much everyone wants to drop springs/coilovers on them. The latter MR-S had the added chassis bracing stock and reinforced front upper mounts that were known to fatigue or fail prematurely under heavy track conditions. Plus the looks were just better all around imho, but that's subjective. Plus they added an LSD as an option and the cat of death was fixed.

We're on the same page. The best iteration IMO was the late MY03 that had the changes you list without the ride height blasphemy.

I couldn't add many mods running SCCA auto-x Stock, but the LSD option made it a different car compared to my '00 and '01 Spyders that both (luckily) had pre-cats intact when sold.

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by torqdork

My worries are about the future of the Scion brand altogether. There's been threads full of speculation that in the past I blew off as sensational until yesterday. Scion corporate district manager positions were eliminated as they rolled everything into the Toyota side where the Toyota district managers consider Scion a sideshow to their main objective, volume. Nobody was fired, they're doing other corporate jobs, but combined with TMS blessing dealers wishing to voluntarily terminate the Scion franchise gives pause about the future of the Scion brand.

We could be driving orphans or collectibles, I'm not sure which, but Tada-san's plans give hope that FR-S will continue for at least one 6-7 year product cycle with continuous upgrades.

The Scion brand is definitely in trouble. Outside of the FR-S and the iQ their product lineup is very old and again outside of the FR-S and this time the tC the sales are very discouraging. A supposed new xB is scheduled to arrive for the MY 2016. The problem with this wait...the Kia Soul is having the xB's lunch and dinner, along with the Nissan Cube.

On the event of the brand's demise though, if Toyota feels the FR-S sells strongly enough it'll just be rebranded as the GT86 or even keep its FRS name. This has happened before with the Datsun brand going away for Nissan. The PT Cruiser was originally going to be a Plymouth but with that brand being mothballed it became the Chrysler PT Cruiser. No other company operates like GM where their brands have sway over the corporation with too much overlap causing problems when there are orphaned models.

[LadyFRZ]

Originally Posted by Jegan_V

The Scion brand is definitely in trouble. Outside of the FR-S and the iQ their product lineup is very old and again outside of the FR-S and this time the tC the sales are very discouraging. A supposed new xB is scheduled to arrive for the MY 2016. The problem with this wait...the Kia Soul is having the xB's lunch and dinner, along with the Nissan Cube.

On the event of the brand's demise though, if Toyota feels the FR-S sells strongly enough it'll just be rebranded as the GT86 or even keep its FRS name. This has happened before with the Datsun brand going away for Nissan. The PT Cruiser was originally going to be a Plymouth but with that brand being mothballed it became the Chrysler PT Cruiser. No other company operates like GM where their brands have sway over the corporation with too much overlap causing problems when there are orphaned models.

Really? I've actually seen quite a number of toasters, TCs, and whatnot around here. Maybe that's just this area,though.

Also,did someone seriously compare the twins to a honda accord.
Seriously.
SERIOUSLY.
If you're comparing it to a honda accord, leave now. You won't be happy with the twins.

[BubsMcLogin]

Any ideas on when the new model and updates would be officially announced? June this year? Auto show next year? I want to get a current gen after the drop in price.

[SirBrass]

Not happening any time in the near future.

/thread

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[imag]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Not happening any time in the near future.

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

If Tada is announcing it - and if they are stopping production of the 2014 - then it is highly likely it will show at NYAIS or Beijing auto show and be available in the fall, if not sooner. It might be just a facebook post, but it is guaranteed that this announcement was very carefully timed. I would expect to start seeing more pre-auto-show "leaks" and news over the next month.

[Sport-Tech]

Given Toyota's recent push to ensure it retains its image as a reliable, quality manufacturer they'd better be addressing the myriad of issues that have kept the twins off CR's recommended buy list. Fried injector seals, crappy side window sealing (frozen windows), easily damaged seatbelt guides, known sources of noise (e.g. that trunk weld), crickets, etc....

Other things needing immediate attention (in addition to the obvious power bump):

-better HU/nav, no-rattle speakers
-revised acoustic tuning for engine/exhaust to eliminate the bolts-in-a-blender engine note
-better clutch: less abrupt take-up, lower engagement point
-standard armrest/console tray cover (just make sure elbow does not bang into it when shifting like it does with the Fiesta ST)
-standard or optional HID/LED package
-rev-matching manual please! (unlikely, I know)
-replace analog speedo with customizable LCD (oil temp, pressure, etc).

[regal]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Given Toyota's recent push to ensure it retains its image as a reliable, quality manufacturer they'd better be addressing the myriad of issues that have kept the twins off CR's recommended buy list. Fried injector seals, crappy side window sealing (frozen windows), easily damaged seatbelt guides, known sources of noise (e.g. that trunk weld), crickets, etc....

Other things needing immediate attention (in addition to the obvious power bump):

-better HU/nav, no-rattle speakers
-revised acoustic tuning for engine/exhaust to eliminate the bolts-in-a-blender engine note
-better clutch: less abrupt take-up, lower engagement point
-standard armrest/console tray cover (just make sure elbow does not bang into it when shifting like it does with the Fiesta ST)
-standard or optional HID/LED package
-rev-matching manual please! (unlikely, I know)
-replace analog speedo with customizable LCD (oil temp, pressure, etc).

I agree that reliability will make or break this platform, add broken camshafts to the list. The irony is that with DI a tubo can increase engine reliability because of the wider ignition window and still make good torue while passing emissions. Its why you see so many DIT 4 cylinders these days.




In my opinion if they don't reassign Tada he will lead this platform to a premature death.

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by regal

I agree that reliability will make or break this platform, add broken camshafts to the list. The irony is that with DI a tubo can increase engine reliability because of the wider ignition window and still make good torue while passing emissions. Its why you see so many DIT 4 cylinders these days.




In my opinion if they don't reassign Tada he will lead this platform to a premature death.

Curious as to the reliability you are talking about. Even after being a part of this forum for a year, I'm not seeing many DI seal failure or even engine failures for that matter on these cars. It's the little things that seem to bug people on these cars. There are truly more major failure (engine and tranny) on the mustang forums.

[regal]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

Curious as to the reliability you are talking about. Even after being a part of this forum for a year, I'm not seeing many DI seal failure or even engine failures for that matter on these cars. It's the little things that seem to bug people on these cars. There are truly more major failure (engine and tranny) on the mustang forums.

I don't know that it is statically significant but there are certainly more "my engine blew up" posts here and other Subaru forums than the Yaris Forum I visit. Over there you have :I drove 100k miles this year and only changed tires." Its worth mentioning that's all.


I was a bit uneducated when I bought my FRS and didn't realize it was a Subaru. I was assuming Camry/Tc type engine reliability and it just doesn't have that. I mean it has a Scion badge which at the time was in the top 3 for reliability, now its last.


All though am happy with it so far. Is it just bad luck, abuse, what is causing these major engine failures.


I'm confident we will figure it out.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by BubsMcLogin

Any ideas on when the new model and updates would be officially announced? June this year? Auto show next year? I want to get a current gen after the drop in price.

4/29/14

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Given Toyota's recent push to ensure it retains its image as a reliable, quality manufacturer they'd better be addressing the myriad of issues that have kept the twins off CR's recommended buy list. Fried injector seals, crappy side window sealing (frozen windows), easily damaged seatbelt guides, known sources of noise (e.g. that trunk weld), crickets, etc....

Other things needing immediate attention (in addition to the obvious power bump):

-better HU/nav, no-rattle speakers
-revised acoustic tuning for engine/exhaust to eliminate the bolts-in-a-blender engine note
-better clutch: less abrupt take-up, lower engagement point
-standard armrest/console tray cover (just make sure elbow does not bang into it when shifting like it does with the Fiesta ST)
-standard or optional HID/LED package
-rev-matching manual please! (unlikely, I know)
-replace analog speedo with customizable LCD (oil temp, pressure, etc).

I don't know I kinda like the fried DI seals. You never know when your car might just decide to go boom.
It's like . LIVING ON THE EDGE MAN YOLO!!!

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Yet in another thread here, sales numbers are 100K plus. If so, the FR-S/BRZ/86 is nothing but a success.

Looks good now, but the RX8 also had glowing reviews and was also initially a hit, selling 100k in its first 18 months. Sales dropped shortly after and only 192k total units were produced (from 2003 to 2012).

Will the FT86 suffer the same fate? Hopefully not... the FT86 is cheaper, gets better MPG, is prettier (subjective), and doesn't have a quirky engine (the 13B-MSP required too much attention for the masses). On the other hand, there are only so many people that appreciate small, relatively lightweight, RWD coupes.

Originally Posted by regal

At first Subaru was saying this would be a $23k 3000hp turbo.

Wait, what?

[SirBrass]

The RX8 actually had an unreliable engine which drank oil (rotary). Not the case here.

Nothing unreliable here & the car is hitting sales projections in North America at least.

If you think some major update or power boost is coming STILL after all the other rumors have been proven to be nothing but wishful thinking, then you must be smoking some really good stuff.

These rumor threads really need to just die.

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