Tada Tetsuya Announces Updated 86 Will Be Coming... Soon

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I can tell you, if it wasn't for Tafa-san, 86 wouldn't be existed. He had to go through so much nay sayer to actually get this thing produced.

IF (& just saying "IF") they did take Tada-san out of 86 project, I can promise you 86 will:
1. 86 project will stop & stop manufacturing them.
2. It might get bigger engine, but it'll get heavy comfort car instead of sporty car.
3. Change the drivetrain into FWD.
4. All the above.

Maybe because I've met him in person & had long chat about 86 project & what kind of things it took to make it possible, so maybe I'm bias. IDK only thing I know is, I just want him to keep working on 86 Project & keep up the passion to build this awesome car.

It has nothing to do with you being bias. IT has to do with you not being a dumb a**.

[thill]

Originally Posted by Badasi12b

Completely understandable. And I didn't even mention that it burns regular gasoline. lol. So it makes the car feel like a much better value in the long run in that you're not spending more money than normal after the initial purchase. Considering the gas and the "horror stories" in this forum.

And EVEN THEN, I'm STILL going to the Scion dealership to test drive it before I go to the Honda or any other dealership first because they were first and I LOVED this car from the first day I laid eyes on it. I would still get this car ONLY if they can give me the monogram at the normal monogram price, BUT add in the fog lights free of charge during negotiations. And even then it's still not a better value (price and features wise), I still would rather give them the sell over Honda out of pure loyalty. It would be nice if the 2015 Ford Mustang was already out...lol. My Scion tC is having major brake problems (BRAKE LIGHT) right now and I'm not trying to put anymore money into it when I want a new car ASAP. I already took it to the dealership to fix it. Still comes on two days after they fixed it.

You should also look to see if there are any 2013 BRZ Limited's still around. I am seeing some leftovers in my area brand new selling in the $25k range. Winter here has really pushed prices down.

As for the Honda, I just don't really see the comparison. They are two totally different classes of cars. The FR-S/BRZ is a sports car. The Accord is a family sedan. Accord's are great cars, but they really are a whole different animal.

You may also want to look into the new WRX and the Focus ST if you are considering an Accord. Loaded Focus ST's are going for around $23-25 depending on options and they are a pretty fun car. I would take one over of an Accord anyday. The new WRX would give you more power and handling than an Accord and is in your budget. And you get AWD. MPG's will hurt though.

[BadMoon]

Originally Posted by Turbo95eg6

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Wow you've managed to find a somewhat stock Mikey Jackson.

[Badasi12b]

Originally Posted by thill

You should also look to see if there are any 2013 BRZ Limited's still around. I am seeing some leftovers in my area brand new selling in the $25k range. Winter here has really pushed prices down.

As for the Honda, I just don't really see the comparison. They are two totally different classes of cars. The FR-S/BRZ is a sports car. The Accord is a family sedan. Accord's are great cars, but they really are a whole different animal.

You may also want to look into the new WRX and the Focus ST if you are considering an Accord. Loaded Focus ST's are going for around $23-25 depending on options and they are a pretty fun car. I would take one over of an Accord anyday. The new WRX would give you more power and handling than an Accord and is in your budget. And you get AWD. MPG's will hurt though.

Well it's gonna be the coupe FWD. I don't do sedans...lol.

[imag]

The Accord comparison is on that Jack Baruth has been making on TTAC and R&T. It is a fair point that you can get a lot more car for your money.

What people don't understand is that a lot of the cost of modern cars is in the platform development, not the parts. The Accord is the first or second best selling car in America, depending on how you count, and that means all the R&D costs get amortized across a huge volume. That's also why hot hatches are cheap - they can use a volume platform.

Low volume cars like the GT86 have to cover their costs in a sports car form factor only. They have to cost more. The GT86 is still essentially a marketing cost for Toyota; they are unlikely to ever make money on it, even at its current price.

With self driving cars coming, I actually wonder if the GT86 and the next Miata will be the end of the era. Track cars are here to stay, but dedicated RWD platforms are becoming too expensive to build for the volumes they get. Porsche, Ferrari, and others can still make profits because the wealthy have so much money, but at the low end, it is getting difficult to make the economics work.

If you want to thank someone, thank Akio Toyoda. His passion for cars and racing is what is allowing all of this to happen.

[imag]

Originally Posted by OICU812

Think you'll be disappointed in no power change...if that's what you're hoping for.

They said from the beginning that they were planning to bump it up to at least 220 hp over the life of the car. At this point, with almost every article about the car (and 50% of article comments) mentioning the lack of power, I would bet good money that they will give it a tune at the very least. This car is about marketing Toyota, after all, and the whining about power doesn't look good.

Will they offer my preferred version - a tS with a 2.5l motor? Maybe not. But I can at least keep my finger's crossed. The tS looked like a perfect way to test those parts in a safe real world environment (Japan) before putting them into mass production. The STI brakes and wheels are much more expensive, so they would have to be optional; I just hope they give us the option.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Badasi12b

Completely understandable. And I didn't even mention that it burns regular gasoline. lol. So it makes the car feel like a much better value in the long run in that you're not spending more money than normal after the initial purchase. Considering the gas and the "horror stories" in this forum.

And EVEN THEN, I'm STILL going to the Scion dealership to test drive it before I go to the Honda or any other dealership first because they were first and I LOVED this car from the first day I laid eyes on it. I would still get this car ONLY if they can give me the monogram at the normal monogram price, BUT add in the fog lights free of charge during negotiations. And even then it's still not a better value (price and features wise), I still would rather give them the sell over Honda out of pure loyalty. It would be nice if the 2015 Ford Mustang was already out...lol. My Scion tC is having major brake problems (BRAKE LIGHT) right now and I'm not trying to put anymore money into it when I want a new car ASAP. I already took it to the dealership to fix it. Still comes on two days after they fixed it.

Definitely test-drive the FR-S before even considering it. I have a feeling it may not be what you're looking for (stiff, raw, noisy, lightweight, low torque, minimalist). Completely different from, say, an Accord coupe or even a Civic coupe. Closer to a hard-top S2000.

[Boxer486]

FRS versus Accord and now fire Tada-san? This forum has reached a new low previously unimagined...

[Dezoris]

The USA market will dictate the success of this car going forward. As it did with the S2000.
The S2000 went through the same updates with increasing displacement and very minor updates.

Honda sold around 107,000,S2000s in 9 years and 75,000 were sold in the USA.

Whatever updates they do to the 86 platform will not be major as they are not going to move this car upmarket. Sure we may see different wheels and tires, suspension tuning, interior improvments with the cluster, fabrics and even a bump in displacement but nothing major mechanically aside from this because its not going to double sales. This platform is not shared yet so you wont see any risks being taken.

[regal]

Originally Posted by thill

He is just bitter. He bought the wrong car.

Nearly every post I write how much I still like this car. I am not a HP junky, to m the torque dip is an issue if you live on hills like I do, if you don't think so threre may be a little denial at work.


I have not made one mod to this car besides snow tires, its the perfect DD as I mention in a recent post.


However this car sits right dap in the middle of HP crazies and IMHO for it to last and remain competitive its going to need a turbo. Tada is a human and humans are wrong sometimes.

Originally Posted by thill

Subaru does not sell cars this way. They don't sell you a faster/sportier version of the same car for the same price as the base model. .

I think Subaru will sell this car however Toyota tells them. At first Subaru was saying this would be a $23k 3000hp turbo.


When this contract/agreement or whever it is end the I think Subaru is in a much better position to write a successful business case, (and that would be sans tada he did his thing time to move on.)

[gt8613]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

What's most important is how many idiots are going to run out and trade their three month old car for the newest shiny.

The engineers are happy they get to play, but somewhere in some marketing office a group of researchers are wondering how much money they can make from the suckers.

I'd bring in the 86 for 2015. People would be lining up for it, with zero cost to Toyota. 17 would see a body refresh, people would line up for it.

This is becoming comical. WTF is wrong with some of the people who buy an FR-S/BRZ?

they in for the hype... what I said a long time ago and got shunned and black-sheeped for

[regal]

Originally Posted by gt8613

they in for the hype... what I said a long time ago and got shunned and black-sheeped for

The FRS is just a slightly stripped GT-86, many bought it for that reason not hype.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by regal

Nearly every post I write how much I still like this car. I am not a HP junky, to m the torque dip is an issue if you live on hills like I do, if you don't think so threre may be a little denial at work.


I have not made one mod to this car besides snow tires, its the perfect DD as I mention in a recent post.


However this car sits right dap in the middle of HP crazies and IMHO for it to last and remain competitive its going to need a turbo. Tada is a human and humans are wrong sometimes.







I think Subaru will sell this car however Toyota tells them. At first Subaru was saying this would be a $23k 3000hp turbo.


When this contract/agreement or whever it is end the I think Subaru is in a much better position to write a successful business case, (and that would be sans tada he did his thing time to move on.)

[ncmx5]

I would really like to see a cheaper stripped down model.. Remove the useless rear seats, lighter wheels and stickier tyres,offer adjustable suspension and aggressive alignment adjustments from the factory, make A/C an option, Recaro seats, Oil cooler, better brakes, lightweight high flow exhaust.They could also have some sort of gps datalogging program like they are doing with the C7 Z06. You would have car about 100lbs lighter and ready to track right out of the box.