No Subaru FT-86 for Australia! And currently no Subaru AWD version production plans.

[OldSkoolToys]

Who keeps saying Subaru isn't making their own?

That makes absolutely no sense. All this article says is no subaru version for Aussies. K, they still get the Toyota version.

The article also hints that no AWD version is planned as of yet (otherwise the Subaru of Australia higher up wouldn't have already announced that its not coming to Australia IF they were planning on an AWD setup).

In the future? Maybe, after a bit of chassis work I suppose.
Looks like the premiere model will be RWD only for subaru as well.


Sooooooo....from all of that, where does it say Subaru isn't making their own?

Edit: And this is all really funny anyways. Why would an executive from Subaru Australia tell people that a car, thats never going to exist anyways, won't be in Australia? If anything, the fact that he said anything about it at all, hints that subaru is already in the planning on making their own.

Some people just need to use common deduction.

[Jordo!]

There is a Subaru version, it just won't have AWD...

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

There is a Subaru version, it just won't have AWD...

Why? and can you 100% say that Subie ver won't have AWD?

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Why? and can you 100% say that Subie ver won't have AWD?

Considering no one has said that's even being discussed as a possiblity, I'd say it;s about 95% likely not to happen, at least not for the new release.

Guys, here's a summary of what thye've actually said:

1. It will be light (hopefully lighter than the alledged 1300 kg...)

2. It will have an EJ20 with D-4S, a 6-speed, and FR set-up.

3. They intend to release a higher perfomance TRD version, and are considering a convertable version. Not much evidnece of an out of the box turbo version, but some evidence to suggest a TRD FI kit.

4. They are setting the weight distribution for drifitng.

That's about it, other that specific details about the concept car's physical dimensions.

Now none of that is set in stone, but those details are a much safer bet than features they have NOT talked about.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Considering no one has said that's even being discussed as a possiblity, I'd say it;s about 95% likely not to happen, at least not for the new release.

Guys, here's a summary of what thye've actually said:

1. It will be light (hopefully lighter than the alledged 1300 kg...)

2. It will have an EJ20 with D-4S, a 6-speed, and FR set-up.

3. They intend to release a higher perfomance TRD version, and are considering a convertable version. Not much evidnece of an out of the box turbo version, but some evidence to suggest a TRD FI kit.

4. They are setting the weight distribution for drifitng.

That's about it, other that specific details about the concept car's physical dimensions.

Now none of that is set in stone, but those details are a much safer bet than features they have NOT talked about.

Okay maybe we're not in the same page. lol
I'm not talkin' bout TOYOTA FT-86 here. I'm talking about SUBARU STI coupe. I careless if Toyota FT-86 doesn't come out AWD. Like OldSkoolToys said "Who keeps saying Subaru isn't making their own?" It's not like Subaru HAVE TO use FT-86 concept chassis. They can say "F*** you, Toyota. We gonna make our own STI chassis." (I'm pretty sure they won't say f u, but you get the idea).

Oh and for your #4 statement "4. They are setting the weight distribution for drifitng." I don't think, Toyota doing weight distribution for "Drifting". Weight distribution can help drifting.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Okay maybe we're not in the same page. lol
I'm not talkin' bout TOYOTA FT-86 here. I'm talking about SUBARU STI coupe. I careless if Toyota FT-86 doesn't come out AWD. Like OldSkoolToys said "Who keeps saying Subaru isn't making their own?" It's not like Subaru HAVE TO use FT-86 concept chassis. They can say "F*** you, Toyota. We gonna make our own STI chassis." (I'm pretty sure they won't say f u, but you get the idea).

Oh and for your #4 statement "4. They are setting the weight distribution for drifitng." I don't think, Toyota doing weight distribution for "Drifting". Weight distribution can help drifting.

No actually, they said they thought about doing 50/50, but for drifiting, that weight distribution doesn't help, so they offset it a bit.
So technically, yeah, lol, they did setup the distribution for optimal drifting.

My statement was to show that they are going to make their own version, it had nothing to do with stating they're making AWD. Infact, it said the opposite. An executive of Subaru's in Australia has already stated, way before production mind you, that Australia is not getting this car because it doesn't have AWD. Thats a pretty bold statement to make to the public this early in its development. Basically, that tells me, that as of the near future, no AWD is planned. If there was, the executive wouldn't have said anything yet about the car.

But because he did, he probably has inside information (he does work for subaru) that they don't plan on making an AWD platform.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Okay maybe we're not in the same page. lol
I'm not talkin' bout TOYOTA FT-86 here. I'm talking about SUBARU STI coupe. I careless if Toyota FT-86 doesn't come out AWD. Like OldSkoolToys said "Who keeps saying Subaru isn't making their own?" It's not like Subaru HAVE TO use FT-86 concept chassis. They can say "F*** you, Toyota. We gonna make our own STI chassis." (I'm pretty sure they won't say f u, but you get the idea).

Oh and for your #4 statement "4. They are setting the weight distribution for drifitng." I don't think, Toyota doing weight distribution for "Drifting". Weight distribution can help drifting.

Even though there's been some talk of an STI version, I haven't heard anything other than speculation from outsiders as to whether it would have a different drivetrain... actually, there just hasn't been much talk at all about the Subaru variants.

And, yes, they could do that... but then again the CEO of Subaru recently said that there "would be no Subaru without Toyota", so somehow I doubt they're going to do that...

At this point, a AWD 086A is about as likely Toyota offering a Supra FT-86 version --- sounds neat, but it's just speculation in the minds of the fans. There's just been no information leaked to suggest it.

For the last one I was referring to this http://www.motortrend.com/auto_news/...ame/index.html

[White Comet]

Guys, this has been a joint project from its inception a few years ago. Why would Subaru and Toyota sell competing products in the same marketplace? If I'm not mistaken, the original press releases said the car would be badged a Subaru in some markets, and a Toyota in others. This means one drivetrain, one body. And I guarantee that Subaru will not be designing a new underbody chassis for this car (if you meant a new outer body shell, then maybe, but I doubt it).

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Even though there's been some talk of an STI version, I haven't heard anything other than speculation from outsiders as to whether it would have a different drivetrain... actually, there just hasn't been much talk at all about the Subaru variants.

And, yes, they could do that... but then again the CEO of Subaru recently said that there "would be no Subaru without Toyota", so somehow I doubt they're going to do that...

At this point, a AWD 086A is about as likely Toyota offering a Supra FT-86 version --- sounds neat, but it's just speculation in the minds of the fans. There's just been no information leaked to suggest it.

For the last one I was referring to this http://www.motortrend.com/auto_news/...ame/index.html

Although I agree with your points on this topic, you should never, ever, cite Motor Trend as a reputable source. They're the automotive equivalent of your National Enquirer.

[Shevon]

As long as Toyota's version is offered in the U.S I'm cool. lol

[S2KtoFT86]

Originally Posted by Shevon

As long as Toyota's version is offered in the U.S I'm cool. lol

+1

[Ground N Pound]

Originally Posted by White Comet

Guys, this has been a joint project from its inception a few years ago. Why would Subaru and Toyota sell competing products in the same marketplace? If I'm not mistaken, the original press releases said the car would be badged a Subaru in some markets, and a Toyota in others. This means one drivetrain, one body. And I guarantee that Subaru will not be designing a new underbody chassis for this car (if you meant a new outer body shell, then maybe, but I doubt it).

If that ends up being the case then I wonder how they get to divide up who gets what market. And I can see how a RWD sports coupe branded as a Toyota would sell better in probably most market.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Ground N Pound

If that ends up being the case then I wonder how they get to divide up who gets what market. And I can see how a RWD sports coupe branded as a Toyota would sell better in probably most market.

Yup I agree with you. Dividing up who gets what market will make Subaru & Toyota sell go down. If Toyota make FR layout car (FT-86), Subaru make AWD layout car (STI) and sell it to the world, isn't it more marketing?

[cantseejack]

Just FYI, Subies weren't always AWD, so it's not impossible that Subaru might release a lightweight RWD car.

However, in the US, and I guess in Australia, Subaru's brand identity is inextricably linked with AWD. This is why there's a chance that: 1. Subaru's version (possibly 2 years away or so, according to that MT article) might have AWD, or 2. There will be no Subaru version in the US or Aus.

Either way, this car is coming to the US in one guise or another, and for that, we should be expectant.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by cantseejack

Just FYI, Subies weren't always AWD, so it's not impossible that Subaru might release a lightweight RWD car.

However, in the US, and I guess in Australia, Subaru's brand identity is inextricably linked with AWD. This is why there's a chance that: 1. Subaru's version (possibly 2 years away or so, according to that MT article) might have AWD, or 2. There will be no Subaru version in the US or Aus.

Either way, this car is coming to the US in one guise or another, and for that, we should be expectant.

So where they gonna sell @? Asia and Euro?