No factory turbos for GT86 says Karl Schlicht (Toyota Motor Europe VP)

[InvalidJohnny5]

Originally Posted by Hanni_0176

Unless they are drastically changing engine components, you wouldn't be forced into anything. Either you purchase the OEM turbo parts and have the dealership install them (which shouldn't affect the warranty at all), or you visit the Forced Induction section of this forum and upgrade to what is more than likely a better turbo kit for less money than the OEM turbo would be.

However, what I'd really like to see is a re-implementation of VVTL-i, which would easily get us to 240+ bhp. The Celica GT-S has almost 30% more bhp than the Celica GT. 28.5% more hp out of the FA20 would put us at nearly 260 bhp (257). Perfect amount of power in stock form, maintains natural aspiration, would be a better platform to mod from, and could lay all of the "S2000 is so much better" arguments to rest. And yes, a mid-cycle refresh like that would force me into upgrading, which I'd have no problems doing.

EDIT: Quoted the wrong post. Sorry strat.

That's where you're wrong...the celica GT uses a 1zzfe while the gts uses a 2zzge. Big difference as they're not interchangeable parts wise, but are easy swaps

[DSOmegaX]

Originally Posted by R.S-HawK

Toyota owns +/- 15% of Fuji Heavy Industries, Subaru's parent company.

Yes they have a 15% stake in the company, which doesn't give them much influence if any. If I owned 15% of your vehicle does that mean I get to have full and complete access to do what I want with it?

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[R.S-HawK]

Originally Posted by DSOmegaX

Yes they have a 15% stake in the company, which doesn't give them much influence if any. If I owned 15% of your vehicle does that mean I get to have full and complete access to do what I want with it?

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It gives them enough.

[cdrazic93]

The refresh for this car and siblings will not be a turbo car. That is not what this car was intended, nor made for. This car was made for lightweight, snappy performance on instant tap. I can see the refresh being a 230-240 hp STi or TRD version with a larger exhaust, stickier tires, a tighter suspension, tune and compete with the S2K. A turbo 86 would not compete with any subaru lineup, since thats what subaru has been doing for years, turbo H4's.

As soon as the refresh model shows up, it will take its place probably just under the Mustang GT. While the used car market would see an influx of original 86's from owners who are willing to drop the car to pick up the upgrade, driving down the price of the original FT86. This is exactly when people want to buy the car. Its classic economics.

[Jaylyons1]

Knew this wasn't going to happen 3 years ago. Some people have just been clinging to the possibility. The car isn't meant to have a turbo. It's got plenty of power for what it is and I for one am still glad it hasn't been muddled.

[imag]

The lack of turbo is not news, I agree.

But the brushing off of any power upgrade is news. As someone mentioned, going to 2.5l has been brought up a number of times as a reasonable power upgrade - once by Tada-san himself. Personally, I would actually prefer the NA route.

So I appreciate the posting of this article. I have been waiting to buy with the hope that Toyota or Subaru will do a higher horsepower version with the tS equipment on it. I am stunned that they think there aren't enough buyers, when it would occupy a market all on its own. I don't see a higher output GT86 taking much from the WRX STI, as it's not a four door sedan with a high seating position.

It's a shame. I like the way the GT86 looks; I like having small back seats; and I love the chassis. When I drove it, it just felt down on power, and I don't want to have to buy $15K worth of crap in the aftermarket (wheels, tires, supercharger, brakes, chassis stiffening, suspension), to get what could have come for an $8K total premium from Toyota or Subaru with a warranty and resale value. It sucks.

The smart thing to do is to give up and buy a 2007ish Carrera S. I never liked 911s, but it is a hell of a lot of car for the money.

[imag]

Wish I liked the way 911s looked. Really hard to argue with this:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/ctd/4354045362.html

[Sport-Tech]

^I'd take that - with a 5 year bumper to bumper warranty. Otherwise forget about it, those Porsche maintenance and repair bills are insane and the horror stories plentiful.

[regal]

I would hate the insurance rates with a factory turbo. I would hate the quirks, the loss of reliability, throttle response. But it would fun.


I personally don't think we will see a major overhaul of this car. I think Toyota invested to get people thinking of Toyota associated with some performance. Getting ready for a strong push with the new Supra.


I think this chassis will become a sedan. Its too heavy and slow to be considered a real performance sports car. The reliability ratings are already in the toilet, a turbo would really hurt Toyotas reputation. The car has sort of been a failure, I personally don't car 'cause its really a drivers car, but drivers cars don't make money (unless you consider a mustang a drivers car


They'll make it a sedan to recoup their capital investment and move on to other things.

[reni]

I wish they would make this car like the 944 -- base model, S2 (larger displacement NA), and turbo versions. That way everyone is happy.

I can't understand the logic behind not offering a turbo version. I can't think of any other car that's had so many people installing aftermarket turbo kits when it's still under warranty, so there's obviously a demand.

[imag]

Originally Posted by reni

I wish they would make this car like the 944 -- base model, S2 (larger displacement NA), and turbo versions. That way everyone is happy.

I agree. I cannot figure out why the Japanese won't learn from the Germans and the Italians when it comes to special editions and upgrades. A one-size-fits-all approach just isn't the right approach for sports cars. And a fancy paint job is not what people are asking for.

Originally Posted by reni

I can't understand the logic behind not offering a turbo version. I can't think of any other car that's had so many people installing aftermarket turbo kits when it's still under warranty, so there's obviously a demand.

That is a really good point. I can't think of another car with that kind of hunger for power upgrades either.

[Kids Heart]

Originally Posted by imag

I agree. I cannot figure out why the Japanese won't learn from the Germans and the Italians when it comes to special editions and upgrades. A one-size-fits-all approach just isn't the right approach for sports cars. And a fancy paint job is not what people are asking for.



That is a really good point. I can't think of another car with that kind of hunger for power upgrades either.

Mark my words. There will be a power increase once the Nissan iD-x, Kia Stinger, Ford Mustang 4cly, and other competitors hit the market. Toyota is just waiting to see what the competition has up their sleeve at the same time not shooting it's current platform in the foot.

[imag]

Originally Posted by Kids Heart

Mark my words. There will be a power increase once the Nissan iD-x, Kia Stinger, Ford Mustang 4cly, and other competitors hit the market. Toyota is just waiting to see what the competition has up their sleeve at the same time not shooting it's current platform in the foot.

I still think they will do it. I think the question is, will it be 20 hp, as they originally stated, or will they give it a larger bore/stroke to get it to 240-250.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by imag

Wish I liked the way 911s looked. Really hard to argue with this:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/ctd/4354045362.html

Here's my argument against it.

What's the first instruction in the manual for any maintenance on a Porsche?

"Step 1: Drop engine."
"Step 2..."