Vishnu/Vortech SC development

[AZFA20]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I've talked to the engineers at Vortech about this and there is no concern just as long as you warm up the engine (and thus supercharger) before running it hard. Basically common sense stuff. They are just honest enough to disclose the need for this as cold high speed operation is a concern for just about any type of gear driven supercharger.

Or cars in general haha. Never really understood the concern for cold weather.

[kiichiro]

Cold oil foams

[tendogy]

Originally Posted by AZFA20

Never really understood the concern for cold weather.

It's because of this language:

The following non-Vortech occurrences, uses and modifications are considered misuse of the Vortech product and invalidate all Vortech warranties:

Subjecting any Vortech supercharger to a “cold start-up” condition (below 25° F) without the use of an engine block heater/aftermarket engine blanket.

People get nervous when salesmen say, "don't worry, it'll be fine" but the paperwork says, "it's considered misuse."

[Ricochet48]

Below 25?! Wow it's been in the teens most of this winter in Chicago with lows of -56 wind chill. The whole next week on my phone says it won't even reach above that!

I understand the concept of a beater, but damn...

[DJCarbine]

Originally Posted by Efenys

I would love this whole setup. IMO its perfect for what i want to do.

The only problem is i can't run a vortech kit up north year round because of temperatures. Is there any solution for us cold weather people for that 3 months of the year?

In the vortech thread I posted my experiences with cold starts as I daily drive and its been a colder than normal winter in Chicago. Might not be as bad as yours, but cold starts in 0*F and no problems to report. I take it easy and keep the rpms down till coolant and more importantly oil temp come up. Once everything is warmed up its WOT time

Your mileage may vary. I am just one person

[bee_are_zee]

Two things does it include the maf extension that normally is in the full kit but not the tuner. And what is this forced injection your site speaks of?? Might want to change that hah.

[protpibe]

Originally Posted by tendogy

It's because of this language:



People get nervous when salesmen say, "don't worry, it'll be fine" but the paperwork says, "it's considered misuse."

I'm not really sure what a block heater would do for a supercharger since it's not tied into the engines coolant system or oil system....

[Calum]

Originally Posted by bee_are_zee

Two things does it include the maf extension that normally is in the full kit but not the tuner. And what is this forced injection your site speaks of?? Might want to change that hah.

Forced induction. At least I hope his site didn't say forced injection.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by Calum

Forced induction. At least I hope his site didn't say forced injection.

It does. Just a typo.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by bee_are_zee

Two things does it include the maf extension that normally is in the full kit but not the tuner. And what is this forced injection your site speaks of?? Might want to change that hah.

I was under the impression it does. I'll confirm with Vortech on Monday.

[86-tundra]

I'm not sure how I feel about it.


Shiv, you said "Hopefully what we have to offer will make some people who never thought of going FI reconsider" but I am struggling to find this to be true. At $3800, this really doesn't make me reconsider anything.

of course, there isn't much you can do about it. It's a vortech unit. It's expensive. It is a good price. But it's just not "make me reconsider" price. It's only a couple hundred of bucks off of the tuner version.

plus I'm not a fan of making some of the modifications to the car that the vortech kit requires. IIRC, there's some grinding, etc. looks like I'll be staying NA for a while.


if vishnu wants to lead the way with FI, I believe it will take building a custom open flash kit and offering it at a low price. Somewhere around $3k +-$200 would make me reconsider FI.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by bee_are_zee

Two things does it include the maf extension that normally is in the full kit but not the tuner. And what is this forced injection your site speaks of?? Might want to change that hah.

Tuner kits include he extension as of last summer. I remember I got mine right before that change and had to buy one.

[bfrank1972]

Well the way I see it, alot of it is marketing hype - not that there's anything wrong with that. It's good to get people excited over your product. I think Shiv produces some great, well thought out products, and he's here to make money, not feed the poor or change the world. It's a well tuned Vortech supercharger packaged with a decent header for a fairly decent price. I think it's a good idea to sell packages like these because all these things work together to produce a much better overall result - you can put together a better kit, but it will probably be a bit more expensive and will require more effort and due diligence on the buyer's part. With this kit you just buy the whole package and don't have to think too much about it - I think that's probably what he meant about convincing people to go FI. When most people go to a restaurant, they don't want have to cook their own meal.

The only unfortunate part he doesn't provide options without the header - which I understand. It's just a no go for me because I don't like boxer rumbler (just personal preference).

Originally Posted by trevorovert

I'm not sure how I feel about it.


Shiv, you said "Hopefully what we have to offer will make some people who never thought of going FI reconsider" but I am struggling to find this to be true. At $3800, this really doesn't make me reconsider anything.

of course, there isn't much you can do about it. It's a vortech unit. It's expensive. It is a good price. But it's just not "make me reconsider" price. It's only a couple hundred of bucks off of the tuner version.

plus I'm not a fan of making some of the modifications to the car that the vortech kit requires. IIRC, there's some grinding, etc. looks like I'll be staying NA for a while.


if vishnu wants to lead the way with FI, I believe it will take building a custom open flash kit and offering it at a low price. Somewhere around $3k +-$200 would make me reconsider FI.

[JS + BRZ]

Love the kit. Thank you!

Will definitely be interested in the kit when it's time for me to go FI.

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