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02-25-2014, 07:23 PM | #15 |
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i just dont get all the buzz around this idea. im pretty sure he said the same thing years ago. if you want a more powerful frs, buy a cayman. its already a thing. on the other hand, owners glad about this is also puzzling. the existence of a turbo or more powerful car doesnt change the car you bought in any capacity.
the car does its job pretty well. if you want to accomplish something else, buy a different car. |
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Good... keep it pure..
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This. Why people think there would be many people cross shopping an awd 4 seater sedan with a 2 seater rwd sports coupe, just because they are made by the same manufacturer is beyond me.
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awww so no power upgrade? ((
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02-25-2014, 09:21 PM | #19 |
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Here's an article from 2011:
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...2-CAR-review-/ "Turbocharging the flat-four would be straightforward (after all, that’s what Subaru does with the Impreza), but chief engineer Tetsuya Tada told us that he ‘doesn’t like turbos’ and has ‘decided to reject the numeric power war’." 2012: http://blog.caranddriver.com/confirm...be-eventually/ There's other articles but those two came up first when I searched for the car and turbo. |
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I'm also not suggesting Toyota's going to go out and make a modified boxer engine without Subaru. I was only implying them working together as they have been to make a new 2.2-2.5L or something. Subaru can then later utilize that engine with the rest of their line-up as they did with the FA20. And what components are Toyota's you ask? So far I have found: Toyota/Aisin Transmission Toyota/JTEKT/Koyo Wheel Bearings/Hubs Toyota/JTEKT/Torsen Limited Slip Differential Toyota/JTEKT/Denso Electric Power Steering Toyota/Denso/Bosch ABS/EBD/VSC/TRAC Toyota/Denso Direct Fuel Injectors Toyoda Gosei Fuel Tank Inlet and Cap Denso/Kyosan Fuel Pump Denso Iridium Spark Plugs Denso A/C Components Denso Radiator Denso Sensors Denso ECU Denso Airbox and Filter (Toyota Size) Denso HID Ballast Aisin (Advics) Brake Discs and Pads Toyota Boshoku Seats Toyoda Gosei Airbags Toyoda Gosei Steering Wheel Toyota/Tokai Rika Clockspring and Multi-Function Switches Toyota/Denso/Tokai Rika Keys/Remote/Immobilizer Toyota/Denso/Aisin Smart Keyless System Toyota/Aisin/Pioneer Navigation System Denso Instrument Cluster Toyota Aerodynamics Toyota Exterior and Interior Design Toyota's influence on the engine (86 bore and stroke, DI, etc.) Many of these parts are not typical for Subaru at all. And let's not forget, Subaru is largely owned by Toyota now. They already utilize Subaru's plants to assemble some of their Toyota models.
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I'd be forced to upgrade if a turbo model were introduced. So I'm glad the temptation isn't there. |
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Why are people so wrapped up in this more power bandwagon? If you have one already you know it wont get any better. If you don't have one then now is as good a time as any to buy one.
Want more power, there's lots of options for that. The AE86 wasn't fast even by 80s standards, it was simply a good starting point, thats the spirit of the twins as well. |
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However, what I'd really like to see is a re-implementation of VVTL-i, which would easily get us to 240+ bhp. The Celica GT-S has almost 30% more bhp than the Celica GT. 28.5% more hp out of the FA20 would put us at nearly 260 bhp (257). Perfect amount of power in stock form, maintains natural aspiration, would be a better platform to mod from, and could lay all of the "S2000 is so much better" arguments to rest. And yes, a mid-cycle refresh like that would force me into upgrading, which I'd have no problems doing. EDIT: Quoted the wrong post. Sorry strat.
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260hp out of this car would put it above a 911 GT3 and a Ferrari 458 in specific power. That's not going to happen just from a variable valve lift system. It would have to be combined with a raised redline (9k?), along with strengthened internals. |
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The Celica GT had 140 bhp, the Celica GT-S had 180 bhp. That's roughly a 28.5% increase. The GT-S does have a higher compression ratio also (11.5:1 vs 10.0:1), but still. 28.5% would be 257 bhp, so even without increasing our c/r further, I still think VVTL-i would be good for at least 240 bhp... EDIT: And yes, obviously some of the engines internal components would have to be changed. The cams, for one. Valves (springs, stems, whatever) for two. Possibly higher flowing heads. Plus whatever else. I dunno. I'd look at the changes between the 1ZZ and 2ZZ for a more definitive answer of what might need changed, as a reference point, if you want more infos. Also, the S2k was making 240 bhp over 10 years ago with VTEC-i (similar to VVTL-i), no direct injection, and a lower compression ratio, so I don't see what the GT3 or 458 have to do with it. EDIT 2: http://www.spyderchat.com/enginedetail.htm
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Just give it more power. Idc how. Just do it please.
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