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Old 02-09-2014, 08:57 PM   #15
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Don't mix pad compounds front/rear unless you REALLY know what you're doing. If you're going to get different front pads, get matching rear pads. Messing up the balance can cause the EBFD to do funky things at bad times.

For HDPE use there's simply no need to be swapping pads/rotors between street and track. You won't need pads that are so crazy you can't drive them on the street as well. I daily drive my Ferodo DS2500's and they're perfectly fine street and track. They're off the car for the winter, but that's simply because I don't need higher heat capacity in the winter.

IMO, get a good dual purpose pad and don't mess around with swapping pads and rotors. If you really want to swap pads, get some Carbotech pads. The XP10's or XP8's are as aggressive as you'll need on the track, and the 1521's will be a good daily pad. Keeping both pads Carbotech's you won't need to swap rotors or re-bed the pads every time you swap them.

IMO, all you need for what you're looking at doing is some better pads and fluid. Do the lines if you want to, but remember that they're less durable than OEM lines and need more frequent checking and replacement (every year or two). Until you're driving at a level where you need a really aggressive race pad there's no point in having two sets of pads/rotors. Something like the DS2500's or Project Mu HC+800's will be great for everything you need.
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Did you find a local vendor for those stoptech pads for a decent price?

I keep forgetting that I need to buy a set before this season starts, especially since I'm angling to get into some Time Attack events.

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IMO, stay away from the stoptech pads unless you just want a better street pad. If you want something that'll handle Time Attack you need a more aggressive pad (and don't forget upgraded fluid!!).

If you do want the stoptech pads, JRP has them for a really good price.
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Did you find a local vendor for those stoptech pads for a decent price?

I keep forgetting that I need to buy a set before this season starts, especially since I'm angling to get into some Time Attack events.

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No, I'm going to skip the StopTech stuffbas it's more geared towards sstreet use and looked upon as more of an OE replacement than a full track pad. I've narrowed my search to something like the Ferodo ds2500 or PMU hc800 pads. As I'm strictly going to be using my stuff for track, it's best to get something that is way better than the OE stuff.

You can try touge.ca. They can get you parts too. But I think I may just stick with tougetuning.ca.

Anybody know of more outlets?
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JRP has been great to me, but their website sucks so you're stuck asking for prices on individual components.

I also like uniq performance, he has great price as well as a pretty good selection of parts.
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Any shops carry Eneos Sustina motor oil in the GTA?
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IMO, stay away from the stoptech pads unless you just want a better street pad. If you want something that'll handle Time Attack you need a more aggressive pad (and don't forget upgraded fluid!!).

If you do want the stoptech pads, JRP has them for a really good price.
I'm lazy and I don't want to change the pads for every event, as this is primarily a street car I figured they would be "good enough".

Do you have a better suggestion that'll still work on the street? I put Hawk HP+ pads on my old car once and it sounded more like I was trying to stop a train than a car. I had to swap them out after like 2 weeks.

I'll probably do 6-10 auto-x and 1-3 time attacks and maybe 1 track day in a season. Not really looking for the ultimate track setup, the rest of my mods are definitely street oriented.
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I spent a weekend at Mosport last summer and my brakes were fading. It would require quite a bit more pedal pressure to get them to slow the car and it wasn't confidence-inspiring. I went back a couple months later having changed to Stoptech pads and better fluid. I found the fading I experienced was gone.

I'm an intermediate track driver and wouldn't be surprised to learn that the Stoptechs aren't going enough for a faster pace, but they were certainly an improvement from stock. I'm glad I bought them.
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Contact BRZWORLD (facebook)

Barrington has access to Eneos - It's where I get mine.
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I don't have FB dang! BTW where's Barrington?

I searched online and contacted a few shops within Scarborough and all they could get is the regular Eneos and not Sustina.
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No, I'm going to skip the StopTech stuffbas it's more geared towards sstreet use and looked upon as more of an OE replacement than a full track pad. I've narrowed my search to something like the Ferodo ds2500 or PMU hc800 pads. As I'm strictly going to be using my stuff for track, it's best to get something that is way better than the OE stuff.

You can try touge.ca. They can get you parts too. But I think I may just stick with tougetuning.ca.

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Why the obsession with swapping parts between street and track? It's a huge pain that you don't need to go through unless you're running really aggressive pads (which you won't need yet). The DS2500's or HC+ 800's are perfectly fine to daily drive.

As for more places...

Machine Motorsports
JRP
Touge Tuning
NextMod
Teknotik
Uniq Performance

In all honesty, just google the part you want with toronto and see what pops up, that's how I've found deals many times.

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I'm lazy and I don't want to change the pads for every event, as this is primarily a street car I figured they would be "good enough".

Do you have a better suggestion that'll still work on the street? I put Hawk HP+ pads on my old car once and it sounded more like I was trying to stop a train than a car. I had to swap them out after like 2 weeks.

I'll probably do 6-10 auto-x and 1-3 time attacks and maybe 1 track day in a season. Not really looking for the ultimate track setup, the rest of my mods are definitely street oriented.
I'm with you on not wanting to swap pads for an event, I have way better things to spend my time on

You're welcome to come for a drive in mine once the summer pads/wheels are back on anytime. I daily drive with DS2500's without issue. They have a very minor squeal the first couple stops when cold under light braking, but aren't offensive at all (my wife didn't notice the difference after the swap, and she HATES noisy brakes). The only put the stock pads back on because they wear less and are cheaper to replace, so why not run them all winter when I don't need higher heat capacity.

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I spent a weekend at Mosport last summer and my brakes were fading. It would require quite a bit more pedal pressure to get them to slow the car and it wasn't confidence-inspiring. I went back a couple months later having changed to Stoptech pads and better fluid. I found the fading I experienced was gone.

I'm an intermediate track driver and wouldn't be surprised to learn that the Stoptechs aren't going enough for a faster pace, but they were certainly an improvement from stock. I'm glad I bought them.
Are you running the stock tires still? I found on stock tires the stock pads weren't terrible, but on sticky tires they couldn't take the heat. I overheated mine on the DDT so bad that I had almost no friction at all. The pedal stayed hard, but no stopping power. After putting in the DS2500's I haven't had an issue yet.

I'm definitely not a class winning driver, so a better driver running longer sessions might still cook these pads, but for my usage they're about perfect.

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With the stock pads I was using stock tires. When I went back with the Stoptechs I had upgraded to 245 Pilot Super Sports.

You're definitely right that the DS2500s are the way to go. I would have bought them but they're a fair bit more expensive. I gambled, hoping the budget Stoptechs would be good enough and so far they are.
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