Manual tranny takes another step into oblivion

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I know enough people in Metro Vancouver that would probably rather take public transit than pay to fail a driving test if it required a manual. People are lazy, and have enough trouble navigating the metal box sea as it is. Plus with all of these private driver 'training' businesses, coupled with examiners apathy to oblivious drivers because people 'need' to be able to drive (not even counting the few 'buy a license' scandals we've had here), the manual transmission exam (coupled with examiners that took their job seriously) would actually be a very effective filtering tool. At least in Vancouver.

again, your whole argument is predicated on the notion that it is difficult to drive a manual. it is not. if manuals were required for the test, then people would just learn manual, pass the test, get a license, then crash. you have it in engrained in your mind that most people cant learn manual and perform well enough to pass a test. where that idea comes from, only god knows. what i do know is that it does nothing to curb people from being inattentive behind the wheel.

[7thgear]

i don't know how kids see this whole MT/AT thing nowdays, but back in the 90's driving manual meant you were one mother fucking bad ass mother fucker.

today i don't think many people care, they don't want to bother understanding and just think manual is a relic from the industrial revolution :P

back in the day i'd have my peers' eyes sparkle when they got in my car and saw that i had a standard

nowadays people don't notice, half way through a trip they are like "why are you always moving your shifter, isnt that bad?"

derp

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by madfast

again, your whole argument is predicated on the notion that it is difficult to drive a manual. it is not. if manuals were required for the test, then people would just learn manual, pass the test, get a license, then crash. you have it in engrained in your mind that most people cant learn manual and perform well enough to pass a test. where that idea comes from, only god knows. what i do know is that it does nothing to curb people from being inattentive behind the wheel.

Completely disagree. Every little thing that makes is more difficult for retards to get their license is an improvement.

Go read the link I posted (and there are more than that single incident, just here). People are so bad that they need to bribe examiners and probably justify it to themselves that well they CAN operate the car (turn, stop, go) and NEED to drive. Examiner are likely lax for the same logic, even without the bribes.

Now if you add the complexity of the clutch (starting on a hill), gear selection (being at the right rpm for merging, etc...), plus the stress of the exam, more people WILL be filtered out. Some would even give up before even trying (at least around here). And this would be ultimately beneficial.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Completely disagree. Every little thing that makes is more difficult for retards to get their license is an improvement.

Go read the link I posted (and there are more than that single incident, just here). People are so bad that they need to bribe examiners and probably justify it to themselves that well they CAN operate the car (turn, stop, go) and NEED to drive. Examiner are likely lax for the same logic, even without the bribes.

anybody bad enough that they'd have to bribe their way to a license wouldnt be able to drive, period. AT vs MT doesnt matter in these cases.

Now if you add the complexity of the clutch (starting on a hill), gear selection (being at the right rpm for merging, etc...), plus the stress of the exam, more people WILL be filtered out. Some would even give up before even trying (at least around here). And this would be ultimately beneficial.

Hill start? that's a test of coordination.
gear selection? anybody who has ever ridden a bicycle knows the basics of shifting. thats all the practical knowledge they need for everyday driving.
stress of the exam? puh-leez...
give up before they try? meh. they'd more than likely bribe someone...

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by madfast

anybody bad enough that they'd have to bribe their way to a license wouldnt be able to drive, period. AT vs MT doesnt matter in these cases.

I believe it has less to do with ability to drive and more to do with status of citizenship.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

And around and around we go. Clearly no minds will be changed here.

It's slow. No official pricing yet...

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by Dimman

It's slow. No official pricing yet...

And then everyone will be up in arms because if it's anywhere over $5 for a dozen, everyone will say its too damned expensive.