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Dark · 05-08-2010, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexicon101

I still say the best comparison is FT-86 / Ichigo (S15 Silvia)...
The cars are different sizes and all that.. but the spirit's pretty similar.
(IMHO)

But the age of the cars are very different.
Edited.

Deslock · 05-08-2010, 09:29 AM

29 MPG highway (you'll have to tear the shifter from my cold, dead hand) with 305 hp and RWD for $23k is impressive. However, the long wheel base, live rear axle, crappy shifter, and 3500 pounds weight reduce my interest in the Mustang. Its 19 MPG city doesn't excite me either.

enc0re · 05-08-2010, 12:56 PM

The Mustang is a great car, but it's muscle car. The FT86 is a sports coupe, which is closer in character to a sports car (e.g. Mazda Miata, Honda S2000). It doesn't have any direct competition, since the next cheapest sports coupe is the $30K Nissan 370Z.

Comparing a muscle car to a sports coupe and pointing at the higher acceleration and skidpad is missing the point.

mrtodd · 05-08-2010, 02:25 PM

Totally agreed, the only thing comparable is the price bracket.

Even so, I've got nothing but respect for what the rednecks did to the Mustang. The new V6 and V8 engines are excellent in terms of engineering, and they seem to have done a damn fine job on the handling - considering it has a live rear axle and it's hefty amount of body fat. If the same amount of engineering went into a car with less weight and a REAL performance rear suspension setup (ie independent multilink) the resulting car would be better in every possible way.

That being said, the Mustang STILL has a live rear axle and too much body fat, and it can never be as good as a FR car that excludes these things.

On an ultra smooth track it may not be too bad, but once you hit roads in real life that actually have some bumps/rough texture, that bumbly rear solid axle will start jittering and wobbling out of control, creating a jarring ride combined with very little grip. Such attributes will only be amplified by it's obese pig weight.

No thanks.

Lexicon101 · 05-09-2010, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark

But the age of the cars are very different.
Edited.

I know, I know... but still, I don't see a better comparison. Setting aside production dates, Those two are the cars I would compare.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtodd

Totally agreed, the only thing comparable is the price bracket.

Even so, I've got nothing but respect for what the rednecks did to the Mustang. The new V6 and V8 engines are excellent in terms of engineering, and they seem to have done a damn fine job on the handling - considering it has a live rear axle and it's hefty amount of body fat. If the same amount of engineering went into a car with less weight and a REAL performance rear suspension setup (ie independent multilink) the resulting car would be better in every possible way.

That being said, the Mustang STILL has a live rear axle and too much body fat, and it can never be as good as a FR car that excludes these things.

On an ultra smooth track it may not be too bad, but once you hit roads in real life that actually have some bumps/rough texture, that bumbly rear solid axle will start jittering and wobbling out of control, creating a jarring ride combined with very little grip. Such attributes will only be amplified by it's obese pig weight.

No thanks.

Shevon · 05-12-2010, 10:18 AM

though the stang 5.0 is impressive and enticing(spellcheck) i just cant se myself jumping in one.....its now a wait and see game for me now, by the time i get back from my deployment the FT-86,M1,Silvia,RX7...etc 2012 cant get here fast enough.

ichitaka05 · 05-12-2010, 01:53 PM

Just for fun, I was comparing Stang w ISF and spec wise they came pretty close to each other. Both has (just round it up)
Engine: 5L V8
hp: +-5
tq: +-20
Bore x Stroke: +-.1 x +-.1
Comp Ratio: +-.1
Fuel Induction: SFI
Wheel Base: +-1
Length: +-5
Height: +-.1
Weight: +-60

... but some how this Stang gets better gas mileage than ISF? Lexus, whatta hell you're doin'! lol

OldSkoolToys · 05-12-2010, 11:03 PM

/siiiggghhhh

If the FT-86 were truly meant to be a spiritual successor to the AE86, then its not supposed to be competeing in the same market as the Mustang anyways. NOT EVEN CLOSE. So who cares?

That role was always reserved for the Celica Supra/ Supra. And it always did the job.

FYI, Mustang: Bigger, heavier, and off-whack weight distribution. If you just want to have a fast car, go for it. But please stop trying to downplay the FT against cars like these. Apples and Oranges.

Franisco · 05-13-2010, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

FYI, Mustang: Bigger, heavier, and off-whack weight distribution. If you just want to have a fast car, go for it. But please stop trying to downplay the FT against cars like these. Apples and Oranges.

Matador · 05-13-2010, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

/siiiggghhhh

If the FT-86 were truly meant to be a spiritual successor to the AE86, then its not supposed to be competeing in the same market as the Mustang anyways. NOT EVEN CLOSE. So who cares?

That role was always reserved for the Celica Supra/ Supra. And it always did the job.

FYI, Mustang: Bigger, heavier, and off-whack weight distribution. If you just want to have a fast car, go for it. But please stop trying to downplay the FT against cars like these. Apples and Oranges.

.

Megalodon · 05-15-2010, 01:27 AM

Premium gas is a "downer" now? If you can't afford an additional $3 more a fill-up for premium, you should be driving a Ford Fiesta.

mrtodd · 05-15-2010, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Just for fun, I was comparing Stang w ISF and spec wise they came pretty close to each other. Both has (just round it up)
Engine: 5L V8
hp: +-5
tq: +-20
Bore x Stroke: +-.1 x +-.1
Comp Ratio: +-.1
Fuel Induction: SFI
Wheel Base: +-1
Length: +-5
Height: +-.1
Weight: +-60

... but some how this Stang gets better gas mileage than ISF? Lexus, whatta hell you're doin'! lol

Good info! I had no idea the engine specs were so similar... I guess we gotta give even more props to the rednecks making that engine so efficient. Did a damn fine job on that new 5.0.

DrunkenMime · 05-17-2010, 01:08 PM

this thread is retarded....please kill it

Let's compare a Lotus Elise to a Monster truck next shall we?

Dark · 05-17-2010, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrunkenMime

this thread is retarded....please kill it

Let's compare a Lotus Elise to a Monster truck next shall we?

+1 Let's compare boeing 747 to a speed boat.

05-12-2010, 01:53 PM	#21
ichitaka05 Site Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: ichi 86 Project Location: Middle of No where Posts: 21,053 Thanks: 7,730 Thanked 19,281 Times in 8,389 Posts Mentioned: 697 Post(s) Tagged: 28 Thread(s)	Just for fun, I was comparing Stang w ISF and spec wise they came pretty close to each other. Both has (just round it up) Engine: 5L V8 hp: +-5 tq: +-20 Bore x Stroke: +-.1 x +-.1 Comp Ratio: +-.1 Fuel Induction: SFI Wheel Base: +-1 Length: +-5 Height: +-.1 Weight: +-60 ... but some how this Stang gets better gas mileage than ISF? Lexus, whatta hell you're doin'! lol __________________

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