Is the FA20 a dud? No high horsepower use?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by ayau

The brz gt300 is nothing like the factory brz. They may share the same headlamps. It's just called the brz for marketing purposes. It would make sense to stick with the proven EJ motor especially when it comes to motorsports.

Turbo EJ from the Legacy GT300 is what that car uses.

Originally Posted by DAMotorsports

Let see do we forget about element racing who runs NASA time attack with corvettes and vipers. How about AVO Turboworld who is tracking in Japan and setting fast lamps. We have been testing our car and look forward to the 2014 season.

The problem is most tuners/builder still think in old ways. Some are scared of the DI or don't know how they can push it. So the first they they want to do is pull the motor for something they know. It's a huge lurching curve and aftermarket companies are still on the fence about weather to spend the money to produce parts.

Phil ended up burning his car to the ground due to an oiling issue. I don't think he was even running DI as I believe the Hydra couldn't control them at the time.

[DAMotorsports]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Turbo EJ from the Legacy GT300 is what that car uses.


Phil ended up burning his car to the ground due to an oiling issue. I don't think he was even running DI as I believe the Hydra couldn't control them at the time.

Hydra was the first standalone that ran DI. Phil worked with them closely to get the DI setup. Correct a fire from oil not a blown motor and he was at 400+ whp

[mxsled]

Not sure,but I think the new WRX Sti 2015 Nurburgring have replaced the EJ engine for an FA20
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[FullBlown]

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

Rod snapped, blew a hole in the block. Vortech supercharged @9psi. It happened on the dyno; there was no knock/detonation in the logs from that run and fueling was spot on.

Made 286/216 on that run though

We have seen this happen with many vehicles. The strength of the connecting rods on these motors are 50/50. Some let go with hardly any power/torque. While some will stand the abuse.

[FullBlown]

I take that back, its more like 80/20, with 80 being on the good side haha.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by hmong337

Is it just me or does it seem like every major badass FRS/brz/gt86 basically tosses away the FA20 in favor of something "better"?

Gt300 brz... Ej motor
Upgarage 86... Ej motor
Greddy drift car... Cosworth

All the Scion drift cars use any but the FA20 and practically everybody is doing 2jz engines.

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EJ is a proven engine design with years of aftermarket R&D. Was also designed to be turbocharged so internals can take more abuse (from the factory), but the years of aftermarket tuning plays into this.

Drift cars using 2J because of displacement. They're losing badly off the line vs the V8 competition and are at a disadvantage in the eyes of the judges.

As for FA20 tuning: it's a high comp, non-turbo "new" engine. What the FA20 sees now is what the KA24E/DE saw when the S13/14 platform was gaining popularity: lack of aftermarket R&D on an engine design that not everyone was tuning with. Everyone looking for power increases swapped to the SR20DET and did not truly understand why a SR is better than a KA, etc.

-alex

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by FullBlown

I take that back, its more like 80/20, with 80 being on the good side haha.

I have always liked rare things....

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[hmong337]

Originally Posted by ayau

The brz gt300 is nothing like the factory brz. They may share the same headlamps. It's just called the brz for marketing purposes. It would make sense to stick with the proven EJ motor especially when it comes to motorsports.

Of course it's not the same car. It's a full blown racecar. But would've been cool to see the fa20 used.

Originally Posted by Basket Case

The FA20 is not toyota's engine so to speak so it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't really want to put more into it's development...

This saddens me because I'm thinking along those lines too

In fact, I hope this motor doesn't end up being the ugly red headed step child that nobody wants. Subaru was hesitant to add d4s and never liked it. Now they've made their own fa20dit and will probably pursue that. And Toyota, well, this is 90% not their engine so... Both camps simply shelving this motor? I hope not.

[Whitigir]

There s no replacement for displacement.

Anyways, I do believe Stock internal FA20 and EJ25 is all about the same. Pushing 300+WHP will be a ticking bomb.

I do see a few people push father, the same as FullBlown pushing 530WHP on the BRZ. What is the reliability of a Dyno car vs Daily Condition + Weather on the street ? You don't know.

Certainly, if it doesn't blown Dyno after Dyno, you know that at least Half of it will make a Decent Reliable number. Say 530WHP ? to 300WHP ? Yeah, Exactly where the EJ lay on.

For now there will be two ways of doing things from the new WRX-STI.

STI---Cheap Engine modifications...because 11 years on the same engine.....

WRX---Cheaper car to start out....big risk of Modifications, and expensive.....because it is TOO NEW

[Whitigir]

Even with the FA20 not being Toyota development. Mostly GLobal, the 86 is Branded TOYOTA.

You know how important it is to Toyota about Reliability Issue.

Their quality control line continuously Testing, Stress, running the engine from anywhere of 500k to 1 Million Miles, under Extreme conditions. That is how you can be so sure that Toyota is Reliable.

Toyota is as reliable as the Chasis can rust and fall a part, but the engine still gonna run.

So you think Toyota just simply shake hands with Subaru and Shove a Subaru engine into their vehicles without considering Reliability Issues ? Think again

[xwd]

Originally Posted by mxsled

Not sure,but I think the new WRX Sti 2015 Nurburgring have replaced the EJ engine for an FA20

The Nurburgring car uses the same JDM EJ207 it has used before, which hasn't changed much since 2001...

People are using the engines in racing, I'm not sure what the infatuation is with them making a gazillion horsepower.

[Jason@DSG]

With all the engine internals and turbo systems coming out, I think the FA20 is definitely going to be a force to be reckoned with in the very near future. As someone mentioned, 500+ has already been made. There are platforms that it took awhile to hit that goal.

I know in the EvoX 4B11T world, it took awhile to hit that level (and there were many catastrophic failures in the early attempts ie. "hey this is already a turbo car, let's get a T3 kit on there stock block").

Have faith, I think this is one of the best bang for buck cars out there especially with a built engine and forced induction. At the weight they come in, it's going to be dominating the tracks.

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

So you think Toyota just simply shake hands with Subaru and Shove a Subaru engine into their vehicles without considering Reliability Issues ? Think again

After leaving my car at the dealer for a month and dealing with the regional office, I'm actually inclined to think that yes, they really don't care about it.

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[Basket Case]

Originally Posted by Jason@DSG

Have faith, I think this is one of the best bang for buck cars out there especially with a built engine and forced induction. At the weight they come in, it's going to be dominating the tracks.

I think built engine is going to be key. hopefully (and I am sure the day will come) the internals will come down in price and become affordable. That is my hopes for the future. I think a build block would last forever at 300-350 to the wheels on the street. or at least that is my hope...