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Sport-Tech · 01-19-2014, 09:37 AM

First drives are out now as the embargo lifted yesterday - check the US and Brit sites.

It looks like BMW hit it out of the park here, a winning combo of all-round performance and livability. Looking forward to a test drive to say the least.

Burrcold · 01-19-2014, 09:49 AM

This and the upcoming S3 are definite possibilities that are enticing my car swap OCD again. Not sure I'll be able to resist! Lol

ZDan · 01-19-2014, 12:51 PM

3505 lb. according to bmwusa website. No thanks...

wparsons · 01-19-2014, 01:15 PM

Plus they're like $43k usd to start, not really great bang for your buck.

Captain Insano · 01-19-2014, 01:19 PM

And when you say "to start" you mean like $47K+ in reality after a couple desirable options which most people would want (myself included). I could never buy a car like that. Hell I think an STI is way overpriced at mid 30s.

Agreed on the weight. A car that small that is performance oriented seems like it should weigh in at most around 3250 or less.

Burrcold · 01-19-2014, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan

3505 lb. according to bmwusa website. No thanks...

That really sucks. It was supposed to come in at around 3200 lbs like the Euro model, but instead the NA version got every option as standard. Shitty indeed.

DarkSunrise · 01-19-2014, 01:27 PM

3500 lbs. for a 2-series? Thanks but no thanks.

Sasquachulator · 01-19-2014, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan

3505 lb. according to bmwusa website. No thanks...

Just like how the 1 series was somewhere around only 100lbs lighter than the 3 series before......

CyberFormula · 01-19-2014, 09:44 PM

Bmw cars are getting too heavy.

VW/Audi on the other hand is still heavy but are trying to go lighter with new platforms.

Sport-Tech · 01-20-2014, 03:11 AM

Weight is definitely disappointing but that said there are heavier cars that handle well - it's more the subjective feel which would be the key criterion for me, and that can only be determined via a test drive.

There's always a premium to be paid for the BMW "experience", refinement, and subjective quality, but we Canadians are going to get a significantly better deal on the M235i than Americans given the current exchange rate and the announced pricing in both countries. Hell here it will cost less than the Sti and Evo 10 by a few thousand - not bad at all. And nearly all the options available which typically add thousands to every Bimmer will be ones most enthusiasts can do without - tech package, sunroof, auto tranny. One exception will be the M Performance LSD option.

reni · 01-20-2014, 04:20 AM

Dimensions are very close to the e36 M3, but weight is about 330lbs more

However, a 1995 M3 would be about $55k in 2014 dollars, so I guess it's not a bad deal considering how BMW prices have been creeping up the past few years.... if only it was a couple of hundred pounds lighter...

01-19-2014, 09:37 AM	#1
Sport-Tech Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: TBD Location: Toronto Posts: 2,583 Thanks: 665 Thanked 685 Times in 386 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	M235 reviews out First drives are out now as the embargo lifted yesterday - check the US and Brit sites. It looks like BMW hit it out of the park here, a winning combo of all-round performance and livability. Looking forward to a test drive to say the least.

01-19-2014, 09:49 AM	#2
Burrcold Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Drives: Subaru BRZ Limited Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,624 Thanks: 763 Thanked 1,586 Times in 776 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This and the upcoming S3 are definite possibilities that are enticing my car swap OCD again. Not sure I'll be able to resist! Lol __________________

01-19-2014, 01:27 PM	#7
DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,798 Thanks: 2,187 Thanked 4,243 Times in 2,221 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	3500 lbs. for a 2-series? Thanks but no thanks. __________________ "Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time." 2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build

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CyberFormula Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Drives: gti, nsx, integra type r,porsche911 Location: garage Posts: 536 Thanks: 1 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Bmw cars are getting too heavy. VW/Audi on the other hand is still heavy but are trying to go lighter with new platforms. __________________

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Captain Insano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 2014 Jeep Wrangler RubiconX Location: Midwest, USA Posts: 1,282 Thanks: 110 Thanked 292 Times in 224 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	And when you say "to start" you mean like $47K+ in reality after a couple desirable options which most people would want (myself included). I could never buy a car like that. Hell I think an STI is way overpriced at mid 30s. Agreed on the weight. A car that small that is performance oriented seems like it should weigh in at most around 3250 or less.

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Sport-Tech Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: TBD Location: Toronto Posts: 2,583 Thanks: 665 Thanked 685 Times in 386 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Weight is definitely disappointing but that said there are heavier cars that handle well - it's more the subjective feel which would be the key criterion for me, and that can only be determined via a test drive. There's always a premium to be paid for the BMW "experience", refinement, and subjective quality, but we Canadians are going to get a significantly better deal on the M235i than Americans given the current exchange rate and the announced pricing in both countries. Hell here it will cost less than the Sti and Evo 10 by a few thousand - not bad at all. And nearly all the options available which typically add thousands to every Bimmer will be ones most enthusiasts can do without - tech package, sunroof, auto tranny. One exception will be the M Performance LSD option.

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reni Nobody beats the B[I\|R]Z Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: shopping cart i stole from walmart Location: somewhere Posts: 939 Thanks: 262 Thanked 1,145 Times in 456 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Dimensions are very close to the e36 M3, but weight is about 330lbs more However, a 1995 M3 would be about $55k in 2014 dollars, so I guess it's not a bad deal considering how BMW prices have been creeping up the past few years.... if only it was a couple of hundred pounds lighter...

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