2014 86CUP presented by Winmax, rules and schedule

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by PMok

@CSG Mike just curious (because I own one), under the rules is a lightened crank pulley (or any pulley for that matter) a free modification? Since it's not listed I assume it falls under this description:

- any lightweight parts that do not also enhance performance by improving power, aerodynamics, handling, etc.*

I'd consider it free.

[donutfilling]

Jus my opinion, but i think stock class allowing 1pt maximum would widen it up. A lot of pure street guys just run wheels and lowering springs. If not that, then maybe lowering springs on OEM struts should be worth 0 pts since the spring rates can't be increased too high anyways. What's your 2 cents on that?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by donutfilling

Jus my opinion, but i think stock class allowing 1pt maximum would widen it up. A lot of pure street guys just run wheels and lowering springs. If not that, then maybe lowering springs on OEM struts should be worth 0 pts since the spring rates can't be increased too high anyways. What's your 2 cents on that?

Then I'd just put retardedly stiff springs on the stock dampers, and deal with the lack of damping, if I were running stock class.

Sways are already free.

[donutfilling]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Then I'd just put retardedly stiff springs on the stock dampers, and deal with the lack of damping, if I were running stock class.

Sways are already free.

Theres nothing stopping people from doing that in stock class as is. It's for the whole population who just want the lowered look and springs is what i recommend to most people.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by donutfilling

Theres nothing stopping people from doing that in stock class as is. It's for the whole population who just want the lowered look and springs is what i recommend to most people.

Wouldn't you agree that there is a performance gain? If there's a performance gain, then it cannot be free.

Stock class is named Stock, because it's truly meant for stock cars. If you have rims and lowering springs, the car is not stock. The two can add up to quite a bit of gains if chosen carefully. The points are meant to represent the best possible setup for a given mod, not the worst. For example, that's why coilovers are all given the same value, regardless of if you have $500 ebay coilovers or $9000 race coilovers.

[donutfilling]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Wouldn't you agree that there is a performance gain? If there's a performance gain, then it cannot be free.

Stock class is named Stock, because it's truly meant for stock cars. If you have rims and lowering springs, the car is not stock. The two can add up to quite a bit of gains if chosen carefully. The points are meant to represent the best possible setup for a given mod, not the worst. For example, that's why coilovers are all given the same value, regardless of if you have $500 ebay coilovers or $9000 race coilovers.

I agree, there is a slight gain.

BBK is allowed 0 points because it will help with attendance in the long run, i just saw this as a possible thing to point out. The point system seems great and in depth to be but if we are talking about getting the newcomer guy to be involved I would see that slight allowance as a help to getting them involved.

I know most lightly modified newcomers don't even think about competing and bumping them into a more aggressive class doesn't help. This is all based on the premise that i think a lot of average guys buy wheels, tires, and lowering springs. Just would be nice for most guys to show up seeing they're in the "slowest" class and to not be indimiated.

Just throwing this out for discussion, the 0.5 would actually favor the purpose built "stock car imo as it also aligns with SCCA solo stock class more.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by donutfilling

I agree, there is a slight gain.

BBK is allowed 0 points because it will help with attendance in the long run, i just saw this as a possible thing to point out. The point system seems great and in depth to be but if we are talking about getting the newcomer guy to be involved I would see that slight allowance as a help to getting them involved.

I know most lightly modified newcomers don't even think about competing and bumping them into a more aggressive class doesn't help. This is all based on the premise that i think a lot of average guys buy wheels, tires, and lowering springs. Just would be nice for most guys to show up seeing they're in the "slowest" class and to not be indimiated.

Just throwing this out for discussion, the 0.5 would actually favor the purpose built "stock car imo as it also aligns with SCCA solo stock class more.

Likewise, every class will eventually probably see purpose built cars for that class, that will outpase the rest of the cars in the class.

Ultimately, the driver mod will be the primary determining factor.

[solidONE]

Who wants to trade me a 19mm front sway bar for some swift springs?

[finch1750]

Would the beatsonic roof spoiler count for any points? i cant pinpoint any category that would cover it.

Also, does the OEM "diffuser" add points?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by finch1750

Would the beatsonic roof spoiler count for any points? i cant pinpoint any category that would cover it.

Also, does the OEM "diffuser" add points?

No and no.

You'll be good to go in the stock class if you have no other mods

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

No and no.

You'll be good to go in the stock class if you have no other mods

Sweet. Thanks. I do have mods, but still fit stock class by points

[CSG Mike]

bump for minor updates

[retrosmiths]

The only mod I have in the car are the tires, Michelin Pilot Super Sports 215/45/17 on stock rims. I wonder how many points will I get from these and if it will bump me up a class level?

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by retrosmiths

The only mod I have in the car are the tires, Michelin Pilot Super Sports 215/45/17 on stock rims. I wonder how many points will I get from these and if it will bump me up a class level?

Did you read the points on the first page? Street tires are zero or negative points, depending on your treadwear rating.

You'll be competing in stock class.

-alex