Vorschlag/AST/Moton Hands On BRZ

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

You mean you weren't invited to that super secret test drive event I went to?


:trollol:

[LionZoo]

Shady dealership. Non-refundable deposits are not allowed...

[devinclfalcons]

Originally Posted by TRD_07

It sounds like he is sure of the BRZ being 25k and 2k more for the premium which as he stated doesn't sound good to get the premium. I wonder if the FRS base model will be a little cheaper than 25k.

I think the FR-S has to be less than the BRZ. Even if it comes with Bespoke standard.

Its a Scion, no HID's, no Nav = Less expensive than BRZ

[jdrxb9]

Originally Posted by dietz

I was hoping they would measure the trunk to cabin height clearance with the seat down. I'm curious if I can fit my kayak in there, it fits in a 2 door civic. Anyone want to venture a guess based on how tires stacked up in the back look?

You could easily have missed it since it was kind of buried in the Pittsburgh Auto Show thread, but to quote myself:

One really important thing to me is the cargo area, since I like to haul bicycles with me almost everyday and I prefer to haul them inside the car for various reasons. The trunk pass through measures 40" wide by 13.5" high and is very rectangular. Again with the seat adjusted for me, there is 57.5" of length available from the back of the drivers seat to the rear edge of the trunk. Fitting either a road or mountain bike is looking very promising. Also, I don't think I would have to compromise my driving position in order to place a single wheel/tire horizontally behind the driver's seat, though a two-high stack might force the seat more forward than I'd prefer.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Realistically those that wanted a "competitive" tire would have had to go out and buy them on their own anyway. The limits will still be pretty high from the factory with these tires, which aren't that bad.

They're better than RE-92's by far.

Originally Posted by jdrxb9

You could easily have missed it since it was kind of buried in the Pittsburgh Auto Show thread, but to quote myself:

One really important thing to me is the cargo area, since I like to haul bicycles with me almost everyday and I prefer to haul them inside the car for various reasons. The trunk pass through measures 40" wide by 13.5" high and is very rectangular. Again with the seat adjusted for me, there is 57.5" of length available from the back of the drivers seat to the rear edge of the trunk. Fitting either a road or mountain bike is looking very promising. Also, I don't think I would have to compromise my driving position in order to place a single wheel/tire horizontally behind the driver's seat, though a two-high stack might force the seat more forward than I'd prefer.

I actually think a mtn bike could fit in the back easily.

- drew

[SVTSHC]

17X9... They trying to fit 275's on it?? Holy sh-

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

17X9... They trying to fit 275's on it?? Holy sh-

They'd go wider if they could .
9" is the legal limit IIRC. And 265 is the legal limit for tires, which pretty much means Dunlop Z1 SS.

[pithy_logorrhea]

In STX/STR you are allowed a 9" wheel for 2wd cars.
STX = 265mm tire
STR = 255mm tire

[dietz]

Originally Posted by jdrxb9

You could easily have missed it since it was kind of buried in the Pittsburgh Auto Show thread, but to quote myself:

One really important thing to me is the cargo area, since I like to haul bicycles with me almost everyday and I prefer to haul them inside the car for various reasons. The trunk pass through measures 40" wide by 13.5" high and is very rectangular. Again with the seat adjusted for me, there is 57.5" of length available from the back of the drivers seat to the rear edge of the trunk. Fitting either a road or mountain bike is looking very promising. Also, I don't think I would have to compromise my driving position in order to place a single wheel/tire horizontally behind the driver's seat, though a two-high stack might force the seat more forward than I'd prefer.

Thanks for the repost, very helpful! Probably the only way I'll get it in there is to have the passenger seat folded forward, which I've had to do before. Or a roof rack when one comes out to fit it.

[oneday]

Vorschlag has released details on their hands on from a couple weeks back...remember, I am just the messenger :happy0180:

Originally Posted by Vorschlag

With the measurements we took two weeks ago Brian at AST-USA has worked with AST Holland to develop a unique coilover set-up for this FT86 chassis. The front strut drawing for an AST 4150 was completed this week and they have allowed me to share the drawing (without dimensions) here:



Unlike on the Subaru platform from which this front McPherson strut suspension was "borrowed", this FT86 chassis has no need to clear a front halfshaft (it will never be AWD or FWD), which normally runs underneath the bottom of the front strut. This means the strut body can be extended below the mounting clamp for additional stroke (bump and rebound travel) even at a lowered ride height. This is a win-win for enthusiasts, autocrossers and track racers that want to buy an FR-S or BRZ and want the performance benefit from a lowered ride height, but don't want to suffer with substantially reduced bump travel.



The OEM FT86's rear shocks are virtually unchanged from a different Subaru chassis, so that won't have to be completely new from AST - other than the update to the new 4150 specs. Vorshlag has ordered a prototype set of these AST 4150 coilovers and we will put them on our BRZ as soon as it arrives. Then we will work with AST-USA on valving for this chassis. We'll add our spherical front camber plates at the same time.



Luckily we already have a camber plate that fits this chassis perfectly. Should be able to make these camber plates work with any coilover set-up on Day 1, with spring diameters of 2.25", 60mm or 2.5". If there is some unforeseen issue with this camber plate on this car (weird caster or camber settings) we will quickly redesign a unique FT86 version. We'll also take apart the OEM suspension, measure the front spring ID, and make the OEM style upper perches to work with our camber plates as soon as the car arrives.



The upper perches we include with all of our camber plates is somewhat unique. This allows for a pressed-in, sealed, radial ball bearing assembly to isolate steering loads and rotation from the spherical bearing. Part of the secrets that make our camber plates last longer than others out there.

[Ryephile]

...and the free and total stroke numbers are?.....

If that shaft indeed says 22mm, then free stroke is something like 3 1/2" and total stroke is something like 4 3/4" with the bumpstop compressed. That's less than I'd hope for. With any luck they'll comment.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

If that shaft indeed says 22mm, then free stroke is something like 3 1/2" and total stroke is something like 4 3/4" with the bumpstop compressed. That's less than I'd hope for. With any luck they'll comment.

They use 60mm ID springs. Scaling from the picture I get 140mm total stroke and 95mm travel before bump stop engagement. Their camber plates have low stack height too.

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by octagon

They use 60mm ID springs. Scaling from the picture I get 140mm total stroke and 95mm travel before bump stop engagement. Their camber plates have low stack height too.

Thanks for the scaling interpolation. Keep in mind the bumpstop doesn't 100% compress, typically 75% for an MCU/open-cell bumpstop common to high-end or OEM bumpstops. That would give a max total stroke of about 5", which IMO is minimum acceptable for a street car of this weight. We'll have to see if they match the stroke with the rear setup, as that has a motion ratio other than virtually 1:1 of the front mac strut.

[M4TT]

Originally Posted by octagon

They use 60mm ID springs. Scaling from the picture I get 140mm total stroke and 95mm travel before bump stop engagement. Their camber plates have low stack height too.

You can get even more travel switching from that spring perch to a camber plate with low stack height.