Perrin Super steer for 86?

[diss7]

I wonder if this will come out for our cars...

http://blog.perrinperformance.com/50/

[wootwoot]

http://ft86speedfactory.com/perrin-s...lock-1332.html

[mrk1]

Originally Posted by wootwoot

http://ft86speedfactory.com/perrin-s...lock-1332.html

not really the same thing

[Calum]

Originally Posted by mrk1

not really the same thing

Not at all the same thing. And a very poor way of accomplishing what others have done with solid bushings. This will put all the torque at the very end of the bolt creating a much larger shear force.

[PERRIN_Jeff]

Actually the amount of force being applied isn't through just the head. Since the bolt is still tightened down to the subframe through the steel sleeve in the bushing, the same load is being applied to the bolt as it was before. The force is being applied from the rack housing through the CNC'ed bodies, through the steel sleeve through the bolt.

Unlike others, we tested these parts on cars for more than a year before they were released and they never had any issues. They never came loose, they didn't add extra noises to the car and we are 100% confident in this part. The fact it can be installed by almost anyone with basic tools in less than 30 minutes of work, makes this part a great option for customers looking to add crisper steering to their car.


Regarding the Super Steer. If enough people ask, this may be something we offer. The STI crowd didn't take to these as much as we would have liked, but maybe the BRZ/FR-S/ Drifter crowd may!

[diss7]

I'd love to see either this super steer product, or a quick rack developed.

One problem a see with a super steer product would be the nanny electronic shit throwing a hissy, as the steering wheel angle sensor and the actual steering angle would be different, and it might think there's a problem.

Not that that worries me, I don't run the ABS fuse.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Jeff

Regarding the Super Steer. If enough people ask, this may be something we offer. The STI crowd didn't take to these as much as we would have liked, but maybe the BRZ/FR-S/ Drifter crowd may!

I assume the super steer on the older STI and WRX had hydro power steering, would the application of your design be relevant with the electric PS rack? Since you guys have 3 BRZ now I'd be curious to see if it would make any serious difference. But understand the cost/return on investment issue.

[*KID*]

So is this out yet? lol
Would love to try it

[AdrianG]

Does the steering rack lock just go on over the factory bushing? Would it be compatible with aftermarket bushings like the whiteline KSR210 installed?

- AdrianG

[Tye300]

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Jeff

Actually the amount of force being applied isn't through just the head. Since the bolt is still tightened down to the subframe through the steel sleeve in the bushing, the same load is being applied to the bolt as it was before. The force is being applied from the rack housing through the CNC'ed bodies, through the steel sleeve through the bolt.

Unlike others, we tested these parts on cars for more than a year before they were released and they never had any issues. They never came loose, they didn't add extra noises to the car and we are 100% confident in this part. The fact it can be installed by almost anyone with basic tools in less than 30 minutes of work, makes this part a great option for customers looking to add crisper steering to their car.


Regarding the Super Steer. If enough people ask, this may be something we offer. The STI crowd didn't take to these as much as we would have liked, but maybe the BRZ/FR-S/ Drifter crowd may!

I would be interested in the super steer also if you guys push through with it. What I would like to know is how the steering lock would work if I have installed the turn-in concepts steering rack bushings. Would it improve feel? Or will it be overkill?

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Jeff

Regarding the Super Steer. If enough people ask, this may be something we offer. The STI crowd didn't take to these as much as we would have liked, but maybe the BRZ/FR-S/ Drifter crowd may!

I am in if it does as well as =< 2.5 turns lock to lock.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by s2d4

I am in if it does as well as =< 2.5 turns lock to lock.

Stock is 2.5 turns lock to lock...

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Stock is 2.5 turns lock to lock...

I have a quick steering kit on the AW11 and it's suppose to be 2.5 turn lock to lock, but the GTS86 definitely does not exhibit the go kart feel and seems to require more input for the same angle as the AW11.

If you are right, I guess what I am wanting is for the super steer to give me same steering angle per input from as the AW11 on the GTS86, perhaps 2 turn lock to lock will do it.

[wparsons]

It is 100% 2.5 turns lock to lock, you get 1.25 turns each way. Sounds like you're not after less turns lock to lock but more steering angle overall?

Without knowing the rack ratio on the AW11 and the distance from outer tie rod to ball joint on the knuckle I can't really guess at what else is happening, but I would imagine the shorter wheelbase on the AW11 also helps with what you're feeling. The wheelbase is almost a full 10" shorter on the MR2 than on the FRS/BRZ/GT86 which is a pretty big difference.

Any quick steer kit I've seen won't change how many turns lock to lock, just how much steering angle you get for a given wheel input.