FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

The Mustang I put together was 38.8k fairly optioned out (not fully, I know that a FULLY optioned out Mustang runs just short of the Boss 302 in price).

Heated seats, Shaker 500 (no navi, but then again I never really cared much for cars that come with Navi. The cost of having to update DVD's every few years and the inability to change my head unit was never appealing to me, in lieu of that I'll just continue using my phone + car dock.), Pedestal spoiler, Leather Bucket seats with accents, 3.73 diff, HID's, Brembo's.

I mean, personally that's all I would ever want on the stang. MAYBE the shaker 1000 which would bring the price up to 40.1 but once you start reaching into the 32k+ range chances are you're financing the vehicle anyway unless your "Stackin' change like a BAWS" so a 5-7k difference (in my subjective opinion) is a drop in the bucket.

It's weird though, depending on what time of year you build a Ford the options change. Some of the packages get lumped together for a lower price, some of them disappear entirely, some things get added and subjectracted from already offered packages. A few months ago I built the same stang for 36 and about a month back it was 39 *shrug*. If I got the GC v6 I'd get the R-spec anyway so it's still a crazy buy at that price.

I see. I just couldn't see myself driving around with 412hp. I agree 100% it's a bang for buck like no other but when it comes to 3300+ lb coupes I love a 280-330hp 3.5l-3.8l 6 cylinder. I have been spoiled by the Nissan VQ35HR. I only would like a V8 if it's a truck or 4500+lb SUV behemoth and I would never buy both.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

very good point, regarding SUVs and such. I've never owned a big vehicle and don't agree with it either. However, I do like to have back seats in my car. Even if it's just to throw my briefcase back there.

SUVs sacrifice performance/mpg by being built to be a monstrosity from the beginning. But to me with the 370Z and GC, I'd rather have the one that has 4 seats, considering they are of equal performance and size/weight (and the GC is cheaper anyway). I wish the Z would come back with a 2+2 option like the Z32 did.

G37?

Yeah the SUV example was extreme and cars like the GenCoupe and the FR-S/BRZ are pretty much really 2 seaters but have the emergency-only rears so it's a good compromise. In my case either will be a 2+1, as there is no way anyone will be able to sit behind me.

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by miata

I must be anti American muscle car person. I test drove mustang GT and it felt like I was driving a crown Victoria. So big.

The new GT has been claimed by some reviewers to match the handling performance/ride quality of the new M3.

The 2014/15 Mustang is supposed to be a totally new car. They're apparently getting away from the bulky/vintage body style and moving to something slimmer and light(er) weight. Time will tell but I'm pretty excited about it.

There's been talk that they might revive the SVO. So there's a chance we may end up seeing a lighter, smaller, turbo 4 cylinder Mustang in the near future. Could be interesting.

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by Dimman

G37?

Yeah the SUV example was extreme and cars like the GenCoupe and the FR-S/BRZ are pretty much really 2 seaters but have the emergency-only rears so it's a good compromise. In my case either will be a 2+1, as there is no way anyone will be able to sit behind me.

Yeah, like the G37, but still a Z. (I'm not into all of the luxury aspects of the Skyline) I'm sure we won't see a 2+2 Z, you're right, that's what the G series is for.

And yeah lol I totally agree, there's absolutely no leg room in a Supra for the back passengers, but in a pinch I can slide my seat all the way forward, be miserable, but still be able to drive 4 people from here to there if I have to.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

The new GT has been claimed by some reviewers to match the handling performance/ride quality of the new M3.

The 2014/15 Mustang is supposed to be a totally new car. They're apparently getting away from the bulky/vintage body style and moving to something slimmer and light(er) weight. Time will tell but I'm pretty excited about it.

There's been talk that they might revive the SVO. So there's a chance we may end up seeing a lighter, smaller, turbo 4 cylinder Mustang in the near future. Could be interesting.

Correct correct correct sir.

They actually confirmed the SVO also, it's supposed to use the same Ecoboost motor slated for the Next gen Focus RS (albiet with less horsepower so it doesn't start creeping on the V6).

[Mr.Jay]

Arent they getting rid of the solid rear for independent?

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

Arent they getting rid of the solid rear for independent?

Yep come 2015 the Mustang goes global and they're officially ditching the solid rear axle and downsizing/lightening it.

[miata]

If Hyundai lightens up GC and puts 1.6L GDi turbo engine in it to make it go 38mpg, I would go test drive one seriously.

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

Yep come 2015 the Mustang goes global and they're officially ditching the solid rear axle and downsizing/lightening it.

Awesome, so it's confirmed that 2015 will be the switch to the new model? 2014 will be the 50th anniversary of the car, are they going to offer that edition on the current body style or the new (yet to come style)

It seems like they would offer the 50th anniversary on the new body style... but then again they might use it for the current body style since it's a hot item, and it may be a good way to say farewell to to that generation of the car.

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

Correct correct correct sir.

They actually confirmed the SVO also, it's supposed to use the same Ecoboost motor slated for the Next gen Focus RS (albiet with less horsepower so it doesn't start creeping on the V6).

I love the idea of a new turbo 4 Mustang. I may just hold out for one. I wonder if they will keep the V8 and V6 and add the SVO or if they will switch the V6 over to just the SVO.

Doesn't really seem like there should be a need for 3 variations.

Unless they use the new F-150 twin turbo v6... that could get interesting.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by miata

If Hyundai lightens up GC and puts 1.6L GDi turbo engine in it to make it go 38mpg, I would go test drive one seriously.

That would be stupid on Hyundai's part. That engine is better off in the Veloster or something much lighter. A 2.0 liter GDI would've been a much better idea for the GC since it would probably come with 300hp/295tq with 34 mpg.

[miata]

34 mpg is not good enough. Hyundai could make a RWD little brother of GC and put 1.6 GDI-T in it. Why not?

[SUB-FT86]

The smaller engine would have to work harder with more weight. The mpg would suffer worst than it is in the veloster

[miata]

Veloster turbo is about 2850 lbs and still get 38 mpg with 1.6 GDI-T. Hyundai can make a small RWD for that weight if they wanted to. Someday I hope they do. And you guys will have more to compare with FRS/BRZ.