Turbo/Supercharging Your FRS

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by 2fast4you

Nothing can void your warranty, however, Toyota may not accept the warranty claim if the failure is related to a non-warranty part. For example: IF Toyota offered a supercharger for the FR-S that failed, and it was installed by a Toyota dealer, unmodified, and not abused (Toyota can look at the computer data before the engine or supercharger failed), Toyota would replace the damaged parts under warranty. IF YOU installed a TRD cold-air intake (Race part) to said hypothetical supercharger and it failed... no warranty service.

Highlight the YOU so people understand and dont miss it ;P

so i should just get everything installed at the dealership to retain warranty(when it has to do with power train), things like suspension, brakes, ect i will install myself, i just want to make sure my engine and tranny are covered, the rest i will take car of....

[Fly Guy]

I think 2fast4 you is trying to highlight that the air filter is a race part and so the engine would not be covered.

[_hollywood]

Im gonna enjoy mine na until a reputable company offers a nice turbo kit, hopefully by then ill be comfortable with my car and 400+hp will allow me to clean up on some unsuspecting cars. (on a track of course)

[serialk11r]

By the way I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but the 2GR-FSE has 948cc/min direct injectors operating at 12MPa. Seeing how the 2GR has bigger per cylinder displacement but revs lower, I'd guess that the injectors on the FA20 might be about the same size...?

I don't really understand how direct injection timing works though. I imagine it varies under different circumstances, but I imagine towards the end of compression cycle is where it frequently happens? (that way the piston bowl can guide the fuel spray) In that case, the duty cycle for the direct injectors would be very small.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Fly Guy

I think 2fast4 you is trying to highlight that the air filter is a race part and so the engine would not be covered.

hes trying to say if you installed your own coldair intake and it wasn't dealer installed then it would void it

it has to be a genuine toyota part and it has to be installed at a dealership for the warranty to stick

if a certain genuine toyota part is not warranted it does not void the rest of the car, its just the part that wont be replaced(off road air filter)

now if you install your own cold air intake to the TRD supercharger and the find it the reason to be the culprit behind the engine blowing up, then your waranty is void even though the supercharger was dealer installed and covered by toyota

[DMDZK]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

hes trying to say if you installed your own coldair intake and it wasn't dealer installed then it would void it

it has to be a genuine toyota part and it has to be installed at a dealership for the warranty to stick

if a certain genuine toyota part is not warranted it does not void the rest of the car, its just the part that wont be replaced(off road air filter)

now if you install your own cold air intake to the TRD supercharger and the find it the reason to be the culprit behind the engine blowing up, then your waranty is void even though the supercharger was dealer installed and covered by toyota

This is pretty much correct, in America at least. Essentially, the dealer has to show that the aftermarket part, or DIY workmanship caused the failure as opposed to a defect in materials or workmanship. The details and full language can be gained from a quick Google of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act which is what has set this standard.

This protects you from having a simple mod negating the manufacturers warranty. That having been said, dealers don't like warranty work, it pays less and there is considerable "float" time for the reimbursement. Outside of PR there is little to no reason for them not to take advantage of you, and your only recourse is through legal channels and corporate emails (a Hail Mary of sorts). So I'd always hang onto stock parts and carefully consider what mods you are comfortable with if you are relying on the factory warranty.

As an aside, just as food for thought. The following is an excerpt from a 2010 Toyota Manufacture's warranty guide (most manufacturers share similar language).

"This warranty covers repairs and adjustments needed to correct defects in materials and workmanship of any part that is supplied by Toyota...."

It goes on to explain limitations and exemptions for another 2 pages. The important take away is that Factory warranties are very limited and don't cover failure not caused by a product defect. Wear and Tear, user error, acts of God/nature, even non internal/lubricated parts are not covered. Not only that they are explicitly excluded from coverage. Factory Warranties are, to put it bluntly, painfully over valued by the general public.

[2fast4you]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

Highlight the YOU so people understand and dont miss it ;P

so i should just get everything installed at the dealership to retain warranty(when it has to do with power train), things like suspension, brakes, ect i will install myself, i just want to make sure my engine and tranny are covered, the rest i will take car of....

Yes, however my point was the TRD air intake is a "Race" part, and regardless of whomever installed it, if Toyota found it part of the cause of a failure, they will not honor a warranty claim even though their name is on it and it was installed at an authorized dealer.

[WingsofWar]

please god, let there be easy ECU mapping solutions for the Zx6.

(Pic related ZN6 ECU from a BRZ)

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by 2fast4you

Yes, however my point was the TRD air intake is a "Race" part, and regardless of whomever installed it, if Toyota found it part of the cause of a failure, they will not honor a warranty claim even though their name is on it and it was installed at an authorized dealer.

Eeeh that depends. Truthfully when it comes to dealers and the warranty game you've only gotta bitch enough to get what you want. What we usually do with DINAN stuff is we'll often eat the labor and make the customer pay for the part or goodwill it to BMW.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

Eeeh that depends. Truthfully when it comes to dealers and the warranty game you've only gotta bitch enough to get what you want. What we usually do with DINAN stuff is we'll often eat the labor and make the customer pay for the part or goodwill it to BMW.

How does it work with Dinan stuff? People seem to think they have a bullet-proof warranty on their parts. Then I see them doing stuff like non-intercooled centri SCs on M3's and think 'Is that wise to warranty that?'.

[Homemade WRX]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

By the way I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but the 2GR-FSE has 948cc/min direct injectors operating at 12MPa.

One of you master Toyota know it alls, can someone tell me the lift pump pressure to the high pressure pump on the 2GR-FSE?

[serialk11r]

lol you better not be referring to me as a master Toyota know it all, I read that off the PDF on the 2GR-FSE. I'll assume you weren't. It also happened to say that the port injectors had 400kPa pressure, if there's any chance the high pressure pump is fed off that.

What's this for? Alcohol compatible fuel lines?

[2fast4you]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

Eeeh that depends. Truthfully when it comes to dealers and the warranty game you've only gotta bitch enough to get what you want. What we usually do with DINAN stuff is we'll often eat the labor and make the customer pay for the part or goodwill it to BMW.

The difference being BMW owners on average earn more money and can afford lawyers to tie up the dealer in court for a while... as opposed to your average Scion owner that has to check their bank balance before filling the tank.

[Homemade WRX]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

It also happened to say that the port injectors had 400kPa pressure, if there's any chance the high pressure pump is fed off that.

What's this for? Alcohol compatible fuel lines?

I'd assume they the would share the same lift pump/lines. I guess 59.2 psi for port injection makes sense when running the same lines for a GDI system.

As for why...I'll keep my mouth shut for now.