BRZ/FR-S vs 2015 Mustang

[ThisIsChrisKim]

Originally Posted by mwjcyber

http://carbuzz.com/news/2013/12/8/Mu...Rival-7717502/

Taken from carbuzz.com...

"Well, that didn’t take long. Only days after Ford revealed its all-new 2015 Mustang comes word that its platform could be utilized for future models. While there have been previous rumors that this new rear-wheel-drive platform could one day underpin a new Lincoln, a Ford executive recently stated that this probably won’t happen. Instead, Ford would be more gung-ho to come up with something smaller than the Mustang, a Toyota GT86/Scion FR-S competitor.

This exec reiterated that the Mustang’s platform "is totally unique. It doesn’t share anything with other platforms." It’s actually kind of hard to believe that the company, who’s really proud of its "One Ford" global product plan, would allow that totally modern RWD platform not to be utilized further. The thought of a future Lincoln halo car does sound great, yet a smaller and more affordable model sounds more realistic. After all, sales of the GT86/FR-S and Subaru BRZ have been through the roof, thus proving how profitable such a car could be for Ford. “There’s a lot we can do with Mustang. I can’t talk about the details at this moment, but there’s a great heritage we can draw from,” the Ford exec concluded."

It going to be tough to shed enough weight to be in a weight class similar to the twins. Look at how the weight of the 370Z compares to that of it's other FM platform mates. Shed a few hundred (G37 coupe in at 3700lbs and the 370Z in at 3250lbs), but much more that and you compromise the structural rigidity a little too much.

Low weight has to be a design goal from the beginning. It can't be removed from a heavier platform quite that easily.

[whatsinaname]

BRZ vs Mustang? Does the BRZ even have a burnout button?

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...trol-exclusive

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by whatsinaname

BRZ vs Mustang? Does the BRZ even have a burnout button?

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...trol-exclusive

A burnout button, what you don't have enough skill to modulate the throttle and clutch at the same time? As much as I like Mustang's as a car, their owners are idiots. All their owners do is rev the engine at every sporty looking car, speed and do pointless burnouts. *waits for the obligatory jap crap and ricer comments* The new Mustang looks cheap as hell.

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[thill]

The more I see of the 2015 Mustang, the more I like the previous generation. This generation looks generic. Like they wanted to make it look sleeker, but didn't really go far enough, and the rear end is horrible... It is still big and bulky yet looks less muscular to me.. Perhaps it will look better in person, but so far not really feeling it.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by thill

The more I see of the 2015 Mustang, the more I like the previous generation. This generation looks generic. Like they wanted to make it look sleeker, but didn't really go far enough, and the rear end is horrible... It is still big and bulky yet looks less muscular to me.. Perhaps it will look better in person, but so far not really feeling it.

Yeah it does look like it's stuck in transition a bit. But, as with every car, it'll probably start looking better once we get used to them and start seeing them on the road.

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by firebase99

You understand you drive an entry model sports car but the "Mustang looks cheap as hell." How much space is left in the garage when you have the Rolls in there?

Not to mention any new gen Stang (6 cylinder, 8, doesnt matter) will gorilla rape a stock BRZ on any track. Right? Twins are cool and all but enough of the nuthugging...lol.

Yes the new Mustang looks cheap and yes your 370Z sucks too, it's unreliable and a pig. Thank you come again.


Btw we don't need to hear your animal fantasies, this is a car forum.

[PERRIN]

I like the new car, its not bad, although I would like to put the new V8 and suspension into a 05-09.

[Chad11491]

The 370z is not a pig, or unreliable. It feels pretty great to drive. My only complaint is the steering feel is kinda muted feeling for what I'm used to.

The mustang is ugly IMO. This gen is so much better looking. I went to test drive o e out of curiosity, and besides the power there wasn't much to like IMO. Poor visibility, felt huge, and kinda wallowy (base gt).

After doing a round of test drives I have to say I think anything over 350hp is overkill for street enjoyment. I enjoyed my Z better which in all reality after all the mods probably only puts down 180 to the wheels. I like the feeling of rowing through the gears on back roads slinging my car around corners, and not have to worry about being 40 over the speed limit in second gear. I felt like the frs/brz were the perfect all around sports car where you could enjoy its power I stead of having to feather the throttle and baby it , and overall were more fun than the mustang. power gets old after awhile, and that 400 hp will seem normal. Handling is ALWAYS fun.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Chad11491

The 370z is not a pig, or unreliable. It feels pretty great to drive. My only complaint is the steering feel is kinda muted feeling for what I'm used to.

Agree the 370z isn't a pig -- it's 3278 lbs., which is not awful. But coming from something like an FR-S/BRZ which is 500+ lbs lighter, it can feel significantly heavier and somewhat disconnected. The high beltline on the 370z adds to that feeling of heft.

Just my 2c having driven a couple of 370z's, and currently owning a 350z and FR-S.

[WolfpackS2k]

I used to slam the 370Z due to it's engine's propensity to overheat and go into limp home mode quite easily at the track. Actually I still do, but the Twins' engine doesn't do much better

At least the Twins' brakes don't fade into oblivion after a few laps though

[thill]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Agree the 370z isn't a pig -- it's 3278 lbs., which is not awful. But coming from something like an FR-S/BRZ which is 500+ lbs lighter, it can feel significantly heavier and somewhat disconnected. The high beltline on the 370z adds to that feeling of heft.

Just my 2c having driven a couple of 370z's, and currently owning a 350z and FR-S.

I was all set to buy a Z. I have owned lots of Nissan's and liked them and basically had checkbook in hand. Then I drove it and the RX-8 (I have owned 3 RX-7's) back to back with the Z and preferred the RX-8 by a lot.

Then I dug into the RX-8 (and talked to some owners) and was skeptical due to all the issues and poor gas mileage.

Then we had another kid and moved and I held off buying anything.. Then I bought a 2013 Gencoupe.

Then I drove the BRZ Limited and the Gencoupe was sold after owning it for less than 14 months.....

Could it use more power. Yes. Do I care 90%+ of the time? No. The handling and drivers feel in this car is just that good. I still find reasons to drive the car.. Even when it is -25 and there is snow on the ground...

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by firebase99

LOL, no kidding. Ive not had any issues running hot laps with upgraded pads and fluid. 2012 and up, Z's have a stock oil cooler, upgraded lines, etc.

I thought I read somewhere that owners were still having problems with oil temps at the track, even with the OEM oil cooler. Has it turned out the OEM oil cooler is good enough?

If the factory oil cooler can stand track time, I may look into picking up a cheap 370z in a few years to replace my 350z.

[thill]

Originally Posted by firebase99

I personally LOVE the 3.8 Gen Coupe Touring. I like my Z better, its a better drivers car. For DD, the power and plush in that 3.8 is awesome. Was so hoping my wife would have considered it before buying the Volvo S60 , she despises coupes though.

Wait, they stopped making the 8 in 09 didnt they? So you honestly thought the RX-8 was better than an 09 370Z (thats when they came out). Ive driven a few 8's and loathed them. Terrible vehicle. Forget drag wars, turn in, lat g's, it was a mechanical sh*tbox. My old DE Z was head and shoulders better in every way to an 8. Entitled to your opinion of course, out of curiosity, what did you like better in an rx-8 than a 370z? Dont say back seats...lol.

They stopped making the RX-8 in 2011 I believe but you could still find them at dealers even in 2012 brand new.

I guess I disagree with you on the RX-8 and its handling. I thought it handled very well, was pretty light, and had better driver feedback. I preferred the manual shifter in the 8 and there is just something about that rotary engine when it spools up.. It's biggest flaw was not enough torque and crappy gas mileage for that lack of power. And I would argue my BRZ has pretty much the same lack of torque but on the flip side I average 27mpg with very spirited mostly city driving. In my Gencoupe I was lucky to get 19-20. If I was conservative I could easily see 29-30+ MPG in the BRZ which is kinda important to me since this is my daily driver and I drive about 44 miles roundtrip to the office when I am not working from home.

The 370z was much more powerful and I liked the car. I would prefer it to a Mustang too, but now I do need a backseat hence why I did not even consider it for the recent rounds of car buying.

[thill]

Originally Posted by firebase99

Fair enough, well said. Aside from the performance, or lack there of in it, every 8 I had experience with was a mechanical dud. Two friends of mine actually used lemon law to get their money back, two others sold theirs within 12 months.

On a side note, im REALLY eyeing the gen Coupe, Im thinking about buying it. Anyone have the 2013 or 14, 2.0, auto, all options, fully loaded?

Well the mechanical issues were what really made me second guess buying an RX-8. Having owned three RX-7's previously I knew it meant checking the oil everytime I filled up the gas tank and/or did extended spirited driving. These engines drink oil. As a result of that I am confident a number of the mechanical failures were just people not used to constantly putting oil in their engines.

As for the Gencoupe mine was a 2013 2.0T with a manual and mostly base features. The car makes almost all the torque below 3K RPM's so it really has some pickup for a 2.0 liter engine on a relatively heavy car. Steering is actually hydraulic, but oddly enough, the electronic steering in the BRZ is better and has more feedback. That said I thought the steering and handling in the Gencoupe was pretty good. What sucked was the horrible manual. I would almost advise someone looking at the car to only get the auto. Hyundai gives you a lot of car for the money, and you can find a deal on them if you join the Hyundai Think Tank. I was able to get mine well below invoice so check on that and see if they still offer employee pricing if you join the Think Tank (you have to email the admin to create an account. Once you join you used to be able to print out a sheet that has Hyundai Circle (employee pricing basically) on the car that you can give to a dealer. Some dealers will take it, some won't. Gencoupe.com is pretty good and you will find lots of info there. Backseat is useable (like most GT coupes) unless you are over 5'5" Trunk is decent. Lots of options but stay away from Hyndai Blue Link (their version of On-star) unless it has noticeably improved. Waste of money and never worked right.