Interesting snippet from Car And Driver Mag

[NOHOME]

Seems like an accurate summation of the vehicle based on my year and a half of tenure.

The telling will be in the remaining 8.5 years of ownership...if the car settles down and does not leave me on the side of the road, rust like an MG or eat expensive components like engine and or transmission, I will be happy. I drove a Miata for ten years (also a first year model) and it was an anvil when it came to reliability and lack of corrosion.

[civicdrivr]

I somewhat agree with C&D. Up until this September, the FR-S was my second car. Whenever it was below 50*, it would be holed up in the garage.

However, I sold my daily in September without having another daily in my sights. Due to that, I've been forced to drive the FR-S through the beginning of this winter until I find the right car. Maybe it's the way I've set the car up, but it just flat out doesn't work in the winter for me. I'm also incredibly anal, so having to drive it in the weather is really getting under my skin.

Ideally, I'd already have another daily and the FR-S would once again be in the garage, only to be driven on nice days when I can fully enjoy it.

[WolfpackS2k]

Lot of fanboi responses in here, claiming that C/D is just trying to drum up sales by saying things like this. Most of your arguments are proven wrong by the fact that C/D has kept the MX5 (except for this year) on the list for a very long time. (if we're just talking about inexpensive drivers cars).

Not saying I 100% agree with C/D but they have a point.

Honestly I don't have a problem with the BRZ's interior quality and amenities (for it's price point). What really bugged me, a lot, is the engine. It's a dud. Sure the power is fine, but I don't get very excited revving it up that much. The sound is unappealing and it's a bit rough.

Compare the FA20 to any Honda VTEC engine and you know what I mean.

I guess it really is a modern day 240SX

[bestwheelbase]

Well there is one thing we can agree on, losing the Boss Mustang was a damn shame.

[Porsche]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

Well there is one thing we can agree on, losing the Boss Mustang was a damn shame.

Yeah, although that came as no surprise. Ford declared early on that, like the original in 1969-1970, it would be limited to two years.

Alas, they kept their "promise."

We can only hope to see a Boss variant in the latest iteration of the Mustang. I'll bet we do, and probably sooner rather than later.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Porsche

Yeah, although that came as no surprise. Ford declared early on that, like the original in 1969-1970, it would be limited to two years.

Alas, they kept their "promise."

We can only hope to see a Boss variant in the latest iteration of the Mustang. I'll bet we do, and probably sooner rather than later.

Oh ok, I get it now.

My knowledge of Mustangs is pretty limited. I just saw the Boss and it's the one that people say I would enjoy. Something about a Track package that has a bitchin' splitter and nicer dampers.

I saw the curb weight and quit paying attention.

[ThisIsChrisKim]

I think people are forgetting that some of the new added cars are simply awesome, and when the list has to stay at 10, some awesome cars, unfortunately, have to get bumped. The new Corvette, Mazda 3 and 6 were added to the list. I think the only truly unfortunate addition is the Caddy CTS, but whatevs. I think the list as setup has too much... sedan in it. Not a ton of variety. I guess they figured they had to make the list more representative of how Americans should shop without giving up large sized families (or bodies).

Luxury sport sedans:
-Audi A6
-BMW 3/4-series
-Cadillac CTS

Normal sedans:
-Ford Fiesta ST
-Honda Accord
-Mazda 3
-Mazda 6
-Volkswagen Golf/GTI

[FRiSson]

Don't over analyze this. Magazines are in the business of raising pulses and creating excitement. They do this in several ways:
1. By hyping new supercars and having sexy covers.
2. By overhyping ordinary cars like the BMW or Audi because those appeal to people with a lot of money to spend and stupid expectations about how happy they will be.
3. By creating controversy by criticizing overhyped cars that are getting a little old in the editorial cycle. The FR-S/BRZ is officially a bit old and their owners need to be poked and riled so that they buy new cars.

Basically its just a bunch of immature not-really-jounalists playing games with the readers. The amount of real content in Car and Driver is really just a tiny slice. The rest is just about motor heads trying to hold onto their silly jobs.

[KevinBRZ]

Originally Posted by utekineir

Reasons for sale/trade:


its too slow

its too small for me

i have winter

i'm not comfortable with this much attention from other men

lol i can't afford it,

Subaru needs to fix the chassis so it handles properly.

I can't put up with the squirming under power.

I'm already getting bored with the juvenile handling of my BRZ.


take your pick

It's too small and you have snow? Those are 2 things you should have known before you even bought it. Too expensive? Same thing.

Bad handling? In fact, the handling is the best aspect of this car, so I don't think you know what you are doing with this car to be honest.

Not enough power? That's true is some point of view. But that is easily changed, and it is probably what they expected people to do. They made an great platform for you to build on, instead of charging you $40,000 up front. That may not be for you, but that doesn't make the car bad.

Uncomfortable with attention from men? Well that's not Subaru's fault.

[utekineir]

Originally Posted by KevinBRZ

It's too small and you have snow? Those are 2 things you should have known before you even bought it. Too expensive? Same thing.

Bad handling? In fact, the handling is the best aspect of this car, so I don't think you know what you are doing with this car to be honest.

Not enough power? That's true is some point of view. But that is easily changed, and it is probably what they expected people to do. They made an great platform for you to build on, instead of charging you $40,000 up front. That may not be for you, but that doesn't make the car bad.

Uncomfortable with attention from men? Well that's not Subaru's fault.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by ThisIsChrisKim

I think people are forgetting that some of the new added cars are simply awesome, and when the list has to stay at 10, some awesome cars, unfortunately, have to get bumped. The new Corvette, Mazda 3 and 6 were added to the list. I think the only truly unfortunate addition is the Caddy CTS, but whatevs. I think the list as setup has too much... sedan in it. Not a ton of variety. I guess they figured they had to make the list more representative of how Americans should shop without giving up large sized families (or bodies).

Luxury sport sedans:
-Audi A6
-BMW 3/4-series
-Cadillac CTS

Normal sedans:
-Ford Fiesta ST
-Honda Accord
-Mazda 3
-Mazda 6
-Volkswagen Golf/GTI

Umm, the new CTS is a world beater. It belongs on the list.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

Well there is one thing we can agree on, losing the Boss Mustang was a damn shame.

The Boss 302 was discontinued after the 2012 MY, so your comment is a year late :-P

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

The Boss 302 was discontinued after the 2012 MY, so your comment is a year late :-P

I remember when the previous hot Mustang -Cobra R- was new. I loved watching them from trackside because of their ridiculous amounts of brake dive. Not only that, the rear would stand up what seemed like three feet. Reminded me of a kitty-cat raising it's tail...

[WolfpackS2k]

Hahaha, nice. I remember the Cobra R with the IRS at an autox way back. Guy was powershifting and destroyed his transmission at the event.

Oh and I was off a year. Apparently the Boss 302 was available for the 2013 MY, but not the 2014 MY (2 year run)