follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Speed By Design
Register Garage Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > FT86CLUB Shared Forum > FR-S / BRZ vs....

FR-S / BRZ vs.... Area to discuss the FR-S/BRZ against its competitors [NO STREET RACING]

Register and become an FT86Club.com member. You will see fewer ads

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-10-2013, 12:34 AM   #15
Iixii
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Drives: NonE
Location: NoVa
Posts: 79
Thanks: 2
Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byebye View Post
I'm not understanding why you would lease a car too put miles on unless you intend to trade it in before your lease. Aren't you going to get hit with all that mileage?

Park the sentra for a week and take your cayman out. This will tell you if you should get a BRZ. If money is no object then get the MB.
As I said, I get paid for the mileage... Read first!
Iixii is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Iixii For This Useful Post:
Byebye (12-10-2013)
Old 12-10-2013, 12:40 PM   #16
Scenic Driver
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Drives: 13 Subaru BRZ, 02 Audi TTQ
Location: Orange County, NY
Posts: 456
Thanks: 61
Thanked 321 Times in 168 Posts
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I drive 600 miles a week and don't mind the BRZ, if I drove 2000 miles and spent most of the time on the interstate I would have gotten something else. You have the Cayman so when you need a fun car you're already covered.
__________________
Scenic Driver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2013, 12:59 PM   #17
chrisl
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2006 Cayman S, 2007 Outback 2.5i
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,116
Thanks: 116
Thanked 455 Times in 303 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Personally, I'd get neither. I've never been terribly impressed with the lower end Benzes, and I don't think the FR-S/BRZ is what you want for long distance cruising, especially since you already have a Cayman as a fun car. I'd get a 128i (or wait for a 2 series) or an A4 instead. Comfy, sporty (but not a full sports car), quiet, and good for long trips.
chrisl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2013, 01:16 PM   #18
Byebye
Senior Member
 
Byebye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Drives: 2013 FR-S
Location: Springfield, Va
Posts: 168
Thanks: 98
Thanked 50 Times in 33 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iixii View Post
As I said, I get paid for the mileage... Read first!
Yeah I did read... and I understand that you get paid for the mileage but...

By your facts you get paid $1130 to sit in a car per month. I'm assuming your lease is roughly $250 a month.

Over the length of your lease(assuming 2years) you will have put 48k miles on the car. Assuming the lease is 12k miles per year you will get hit with a penalty of $3600(.15 per mile over 12k miles).

Over the course of 2 years-
$27120 for your mileage
-$6000 for your lease payment
-$3600 for you mileage overage (assuming 12k per year)
-$5544 for gas(66gal per month[30mpg] at $3.50 per gal)
=$11976 in your pocket not including cost of ownership for the car(insurance, maintenance, misc. repairs)

So after all is said and done you will pocket $6000 per year. When you divide that by 12 it's $500 per month.

If you add that to the lease cost(assumed) you could spend up to $750 on another lease before out of pocket expenses. The price would differ if you were buying instead of leasing.

If I was in your shoes I would most likely drive the Caymen everyday. Assuming you paid new no money down your payment is roughly $800-$1000.

If I got paid to drive I would spend the most time in the funnest car I could afford and pocket the rest for track days and tires.

Sorry for the long reply.
Byebye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2013, 02:00 PM   #19
DarkSunrise
Senior Member
 
DarkSunrise's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S)
Location: USA
Posts: 5,798
Thanks: 2,187
Thanked 4,243 Times in 2,221 Posts
Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
It sounds like you want a comfortable/refined car with good power for long highway trips. That is not a BRZ. Cars I would consider:

- mk7 GTI
- Mustang GT (or V6 if you need better fuel economy)
- Charger/Challenger
- Accord/Camry V6
- G37
- 135/335
__________________
"Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time."

2022 BRZ Build
2013 FR-S Build
DarkSunrise is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2013, 02:22 PM   #20
SirBrass
Trust me, I'm the Doctor
 
SirBrass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Drives: 2019 WRX Limited (WRB)
Location: North East PA
Posts: 2,723
Thanks: 4,304
Thanked 1,252 Times in 782 Posts
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iixii View Post
I travel about 2000 miles per MONTH (edited) for an IT contract gig and I get paid .565 cents per mile. I've been doing this for about 9 months now I have a 2013 Sentra SL I leased just for this purpose. The lack of power of this Sentra drives me nuts on freeway. I also have a 2006 Cayman S which is a weekend car.
I am now comtemplating of leasing a BRZ as my travel car and let my uncle continue leasing the Sentra. My wife drives a Mazda CX9 and we have two kids who are 9 and 4.
If you were me, would you get the MB or the BRZ given my current stable and needs? Am I too selfish to have 2 sporty cars? Or just use the Cayman, or alternate the Sentra and Cayman, or alternate the MB and Cayman?
Considering you already have the Cayman S, then if I was in your position and with your finances, I'd get the Benz.

The twins are essentially the po'man's Cayman S. Since you've already got it, there's no need to get a BRZ.

I drive 40 miles or more each weekday in my BRZ, most of it freeway. Nowhere near as fun as the backroads, but freeways are boring even in fast straightline cars (b/c traffic and cops keep you from fully unleashing the straightline power), so the BRZ is still more fun than the more beastly cars. The car is perfectly comfortable. If it gets to be a bit of a bother, I'll get recaros. I also think upgrading to better tires will help since even though the goal there is better grip, the ride quality is sure to go up compared to those hard, crappy HP Primacy tires.

So the BRZ is plenty comfortable (I drive the limited, so I've got the better seats + heated seats for the cold), and I don't think 2k per week would bug me much in it (it would in my 05 Forester, though... most uncomfortable seats EVER... my back would be in agony after a mere 30 minutes driving that car unless I had a very very firm lumbar pad). It's certainly more comfortable, IMO, than my STI or WRX were.

But considering you've got the Cayman already, go for the Benz. Way more comfortable, as it's German luxury. Hard for even Japanese luxury to beat that.
__________________
Subies Of Blessed Memory: '05 Forester, '08 WRX, '13 STi
Daily Driver: 2014 BRZ 6MT Limited


^GT5 Replay Photo Mode^
SirBrass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2013, 03:39 PM   #21
Razz
Senior Member
 
Razz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: Fast
Location: United States
Posts: 480
Thanks: 64
Thanked 101 Times in 71 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I'd go for a Mazda 3.


Great road handling and speed.


Excellent gas mileage.
Razz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2013, 06:36 PM   #22
Iixii
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Drives: NonE
Location: NoVa
Posts: 79
Thanks: 2
Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkSunrise View Post
It sounds like you want a comfortable/refined car with good power for long highway trips. That is not a BRZ. Cars I would consider:

- mk7 GTI
- Mustang GT (or V6 if you need better fuel economy)
- Charger/Challenger
- Accord/Camry V6
- G37
- 135/335
This nailed it. I think power and refinement are what I'm looking for this 2k miles a MONTH (500 miles/week) trips. I'm now checking BMW 3s, Cadillac ATS (did I just say that?!), VW GLI, Infiniti Gs, and my favorite website Swapalease.
Iixii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2013, 06:38 PM   #23
Iixii
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Drives: NonE
Location: NoVa
Posts: 79
Thanks: 2
Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byebye View Post
Yeah I did read... and I understand that you get paid for the mileage but...

By your facts you get paid $1130 to sit in a car per month. I'm assuming your lease is roughly $250 a month.

Over the length of your lease(assuming 2years) you will have put 48k miles on the car. Assuming the lease is 12k miles per year you will get hit with a penalty of $3600(.15 per mile over 12k miles).

Over the course of 2 years-
$27120 for your mileage
-$6000 for your lease payment
-$3600 for you mileage overage (assuming 12k per year)
-$5544 for gas(66gal per month[30mpg] at $3.50 per gal)
=$11976 in your pocket not including cost of ownership for the car(insurance, maintenance, misc. repairs)

So after all is said and done you will pocket $6000 per year. When you divide that by 12 it's $500 per month.

If you add that to the lease cost(assumed) you could spend up to $750 on another lease before out of pocket expenses. The price would differ if you were buying instead of leasing.

If I was in your shoes I would most likely drive the Caymen everyday. Assuming you paid new no money down your payment is roughly $800-$1000.

If I got paid to drive I would spend the most time in the funnest car I could afford and pocket the rest for track days and tires.

Sorry for the long reply.
Wow. I'm impressed and thanks for the thorough explanation.
Iixii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2013, 06:54 PM   #24
chrisl
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2006 Cayman S, 2007 Outback 2.5i
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,116
Thanks: 116
Thanked 455 Times in 303 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iixii View Post
This nailed it. I think power and refinement are what I'm looking for this 2k miles a MONTH (500 miles/week) trips. I'm now checking BMW 3s, Cadillac ATS (did I just say that?!), VW GLI, Infiniti Gs, and my favorite website Swapalease.
I'd look at Audi A4s as well (or S4s, if they're within your budget, but they're quite a bit more)
chrisl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2013, 09:49 AM   #25
thill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Drives: 2020 SS1LE (previous 13 BRZ owner)
Location: North Pole
Posts: 2,753
Thanks: 328
Thanked 1,463 Times in 802 Posts
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisl View Post
I'd look at Audi A4s as well (or S4s, if they're within your budget, but they're quite a bit more)
My recommendation as well. Especially if you can get into an S4.
thill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2013, 10:01 AM   #26
Iixii
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Drives: NonE
Location: NoVa
Posts: 79
Thanks: 2
Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Audi S3 is coming out this summer and I might just wait.
Iixii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2013, 10:56 AM   #27
WolfpackS2k
Senior Member
 
WolfpackS2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Drives: '12 C63 P31, '23 GRC
Location: NC
Posts: 3,215
Thanks: 2,951
Thanked 2,082 Times in 1,193 Posts
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Of the 2 cars from the OP I'd get the CLA250
__________________
Current: 2023 GRC Circuit Edition, 2012 C63 AMG P31
Past: (2) 2000 MR2 Spyder, 2017 GTI Sport, 2006 Porsche Cayman S, Supercharged 2013 BRZ-L, 2007 Honda S2000, 1992 Integra GS-R
WolfpackS2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2013, 12:06 PM   #28
thill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Drives: 2020 SS1LE (previous 13 BRZ owner)
Location: North Pole
Posts: 2,753
Thanks: 328
Thanked 1,463 Times in 802 Posts
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by firebase99 View Post
Im telling you...look at a Volvo S60/80. Its THE most comfortable car Ive ever driven. Ever. Quick too. Like high 5 to 60 quick.
I have had two relatives lease Volvo's and they will never lease or buy another again. Those things were in the shop as much as they were on the road. Aside from that, there is a good chance Volvo could be leaving the US market. Lots of rumors and sales are really poor here in North America. If you are going to spend that much better off getting a Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, Audi, etc.
thill is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2026 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.