Full Stock Exhaust - Anyone content with full stock & NEVER planning for aftermarket?

[fooddude]

Going a little off topic. And I hear/understand what everyone says in regards to tuning, exh, power, etc.

Let me make it clearer:

~ I am not trying to make more and more small amounts of power (from only exh and tuning a stock NA motor) nor do I want to try to squeeze subtle amounts of power out of the stock NA motor. I am pretty content the way it is and leaving it stock power (it is not a supercar nor a hp monster in the first place). All I want to do is free up the drivetrain and make the engine's stock power more free and easier to work. So, totally not interested in dyno$, after dyno$, after dyno$...only to gain a few hp per expensive visit/appointment. Many people want to do this, and I respect that and more power to them (both figuratively and literally hehe ) ..but it isn't for me and it's not what I'm interested in. Diff strokes. Been there and done that.. be happy for what the 86 is imo.. a fantastic handling car and Not a powerful car.

~ I am not interested in exhaust and will not get one. Main reason - I like it Quiet! Yes, I can most likely gain 10-15hp, maybe even 20+, truly a good amount.. but, again, no thanks. I'll take Quiet over 15hp anyday (I'm older and I've been through that car phase already in the 90s...just not worth it for me and the little amount of power you gain for spending so much money and tuning) ...not to mention I'll save a grip load of money ($1000+ for a lightweight Tomei titanium exhaust, op, fp and another $1000+ for a nice header). I'd rather spend that money on wheels and nice coilovers; than to spend it on 15hp that'll get you pulled over every month...and also make you sound like a nerdy riceboy wanting to drag race everyone.

It's an NA FRS/BRZ afterall...it's never going to be a power monster (unless you FI it)...so my philosophy is to focus on its' suspension and drivetrain - the strong suits of the 86.

[utekineir]

Originally Posted by fooddude

Going a little off topic. And I hear/understand what everyone says in regards to tuning, exh, power, etc.

Let me make it clearer:

~ I am not trying to make more and more small amounts of power (from only exh and tuning a stock NA motor) nor do I want to try to squeeze subtle amounts of power out of the stock NA motor. I am pretty content the way it is and leaving it stock power (it is not a supercar nor a hp monster in the first place). All I want to do is free up the drivetrain and make the engine's stock power more free and easier to work. So, totally not interested in dyno$, after dyno$, after dyno$...only to gain a few hp per expensive visit/appointment. Many people want to do this, and I respect that and more power to them (both figuratively and literally hehe ) ..but it isn't for me and it's not what I'm interested in. Diff strokes. Been there and done that.. be happy for what the 86 is imo.. a fantastic handling car and Not a powerful car.

~ I am not interested in exhaust and will not get one. Main reason - I like it Quiet! Yes, I can most likely gain 10-15hp, maybe even 20+, truly a good amount.. but, again, no thanks. I'll take Quiet over 15hp anyday (I'm older and I've been through that car phase already in the 90s...just not worth it for me and the little amount of power you gain for spending so much money and tuning) ...not to mention I'll save a grip load of money ($1000+ for a lightweight Tomei titanium exhaust, op, fp and another $1000+ for a nice header). I'd rather spend that money on wheels and nice coilovers; than to spend it on 15hp that'll get you pulled over every month...and also make you sound like a nerdy riceboy wanting to drag race everyone.

It's an NA FRS/BRZ afterall...it's never going to be a power monster (unless you FI it)...so my philosophy is to focus on its' suspension and drivetrain - the strong suits of the 86.

do you enjoy the torque dip?

[fooddude]

Originally Posted by utekineir

do you enjoy the torque dip?

Make due with whatcha got imo. That dip isn't as bad as what people make it out to be and it's just a graph we see. It's also so low in the rpm range that it doesn't matter ...especially with a shorter FD.

If anything..I'd add headers and leave the catback stock. But trying to avoid upgrading headers too.

[utekineir]

Originally Posted by fooddude

Make due with whatcha got imo. That dip isn't as bad as what people make it out to be and it's just a graph we see. It's also so low in the rpm range that it doesn't matter ...especially with a shorter FD.

If anything..I'd add headers and leave the catback stock. But trying to avoid upgrading headers too.

I agree that it isn't the end of the world, i've gotten very used to either sitting below or above it.

But at the same time looking at the area under the curve when that dip turns into a peak, it could feel real nice for dd use and would have far more of an effect on the car than the drivetrain weight mods.

[jvincent]

My two cents, get a tune. I've got an OFT and other than that I am fully stock.

The torque dip is significantly reduced and the car drives MUCH better.

All the other stuff you have mentioned are much more intrusive than a tune and are unlikely to make any noticeable difference.

The only other mod I might consider is a header, but I'm not sold on that yet.

[wbradley]

At least swap out the pathetic USDM exhaust tips. That is my only real gripe with the vehicle BTW.

[fooddude]

Appreciate all the recommendations and feedback ..but, again, my goal isn't to rid of the torque dip nor make any extra power nor having it dyno tuned.

I am just interested in others that like and are sticking with the stock exhaust

I am pretty much set and decided on lightened drivetrain parts + a short FD with fully stock exhaust system. From my past experience in the 90s and 00s, I have a good understanding which mods work better than others (depending on personal goals of course).. and for me, it'll defo be light drivetrain parts, quick FD and stock exh (for the streets) and a good set of coilovers.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

I'm sure there are plenty that like the stock exhaust system. They are what I would call not enthusiasts.

Believe it or not.. you can still drive this car and be an enthusiast with the stock exhaust.
Im getting an axleback mainly because at the track with helmet on, I cant hear the damn car its too quiet..

[Kiske]

Then in that respect you wouldn't be building a 'sleeper' car.

I find it interesting you want to do the mods you've listed and not bother doing a front header/tune to kill the dip. Sure the dip isn't the end of the world. But, to me it seems like you... I don't really know how to put it. Perhaps something like this:

Say you want better handling for your car, why bother with suspension/coilovers if your still on the stock tires?

[fooddude]

Originally Posted by Kiske

Then in that respect you wouldn't be building a 'sleeper' car.

I find it interesting you want to do the mods you've listed and not bother doing a front header/tune to kill the dip. Sure the dip isn't the end of the world. But, to me it seems like you... I don't really know how to put it. Perhaps something like this:

Say you want better handling for your car, why bother with suspension/coilovers if your still on the stock tires?

I never disagreed that a header/exh would be a great upgrade..I just meant I would like to do drivetrain mods first/before (and even rather than) doing headers first. I want to be quiet, not a cop magnet. I just don't want to wake the entire darn neighborhood everywhere I drive lol. Maybe you will understand when you're older or have driven modded/noisy DD cars for around 20 years (def gets old after a while and it's super nice to have a quiet, yet modded, car).

Yes, aftermarket headers and tune + stock exh sounds like a great idea to rid of the dip while keeping things relatively quiet still. Perhaps I will do this too... but only after all my desired drivetrain and FD mods first

You cannot really relate drivetrain mods to exh mods the way you described (ie: "Say you want better handling for your car, why bother with suspension/coilovers if your still on the stock tires?") ...yes, to make the most use out of your coilovers or suspension you need good tires to back them up, I totally agree... but lightened drivetrain parts will still work just perfectly fine with or without an aftermarket exh/headers.

Who cares if you have full aftermarket headers and exhaust. Or if it sounds or looks good. It's all about function; and in all honesty, the stock stuff works just fine. Yes, aftermarket exh will rid of the dip and give you a tad extra hp than stock..but I will enjoy lightened drivetrain mods and a nice short FD much more...all while being quiet

Track days with no sound level rules... I would just dump the exhaust for weight savings, or if I had extra money after my drivetrain/FD mods, get a lightweight Tomei exh.

[fooddude]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

I'm sure there are plenty that like the stock exhaust system. They are what I would call not enthusiasts.

A better way to put it is ...They are what I would call, not rice-boys.

I kid, hehe

[SubaSteve]

Originally Posted by fooddude

A better way to put it is ...They are what I would call, not rice-boys.

I kid, hehe

Exhaust noise is partly what makes a car exciting. Supercars usually get this spot on first seeing as they put alot more r&d into it.
Dat exhaust.
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[Kiske]

Originally Posted by fooddude

I want to be quiet, not a cop magnet. I just don't want to wake the entire darn neighborhood everywhere I drive lol. Maybe you will understand when you're older or have driven modded/noisy DD cars for around 20 years

I assume you haven't heard the Perrin 2.5 Resonated or Invidia Q300 systems.

Not all of the 86 market have a loud exhaust nor want it, there are quite a few members that prefer an elegant approach to modding without the desire to make the car annoying to drive. Not many will want to help/converse with you when you throw out arrogant remarks.

[FR-S Matt]

Originally Posted by SubaSteve

Exhaust noise is partly what makes a car exciting. Supercars usually get this spot on first seeing as they put alot more r&d into it.
Dat exhaust.

For starters, we don't have a forged engine from the factory and we're missing some cylinders.