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Old 11-06-2013, 08:43 PM   #85
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that would mean the car would then have a drivetrain loss of only like 15 whp after the header. I doubt its that much. maybe w/ a tune and a couple other bits it'd do that much.
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Another Ex RSX owner here. Had an 5 SP 04 base model got it in 07 and spent 6 amazing years with it and traded it for the BRZ. I regret trading it in sometimes though I might pick up an 05-06 type S in the future though finding one in good nick is very difficult.
You sound like someone who would be happy buying mine ahah.
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Old 11-07-2013, 04:04 AM   #86
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You sound like someone who would be happy buying mine ahah.
Lol I would gladly take it right now if I had the funds to do so.
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Old 11-07-2013, 06:10 PM   #87
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A lot of the BRZ guys are going turbo/sc because I feel like they think that's the best way to get real, quick power (Which is not false, mind you).

But how does it respond to simple bolt ons? I read on here somewhere that the FA20 Club headers net gained 30 whp? That's massive! Hopefully it's as "easy" to make a little bit of power
That would be coupled with a tune. A header/full exhaust and sold tune will yield 180-190whp (dynojet) and E85 will get you 200+ whp. Mine feels pretty strong with just a header and tune currently. It pulls pretty hard compared to stock.
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Another former Club-RSX member here. Sold my 03 Type-S a few months back after picking up my BRZ. Only lightly modded, with a CAI, catback and coilovers. Power feels pretty much the same. I felt that the RSX was pretty gutless at lower RPM's, and the BRZ feels slightly better in that regard. Handling wise, it's no contest. Even completely stock, I just have so much more confidence with the BRZ through the twisties.

I liked the transmission in the RSX better so far. I had a weighted knob and the throws were much easier than in the BRZ, where I've noticed I have to force it somewhat in colder weather.

I always thought the interior of the RSX was a little overrated. I loved that all the controls were tilted toward the driver, and the sliding storage tray/cupholders was a really nice design. But the leather seats were uncomfortable in the first-gen, and I had a lot of dash rattles whenever the temp dropped below 50. That and the flickering glove box light that drove me nuts.

I still think the Type-S is a fantastically underrated car. Never had a single problem with mine (that wasn't self-induced) in the 3 years of ownership.
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Old 11-07-2013, 11:34 PM   #89
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Also a former crsx member. My base rsx was stolen about a month ago, was recovered, got insurance money and here i am now in a 2014 brz limited. Couple things I didn't like about the rsx. The suspension design SUCKS imo. Steering arms attached to the actual strut, pickup points weren't how I liked it (it can't be lowered more than ~1.5" or your handling goes to shit) etc. You really have to pay attention to the way the suspension is setup in that car. I COULD NOT get the car to handle how i wanted even with the ever so popular 10k/16k f/r suspension setup and nice wide tires. Then again it could have been the crappy bc suspension. Even then I could see the potential in it, just didn't like the suspension. Right off the bat the brz felt WAY better even with the skinny prius tires (and I haven't even pushed it that much yet)

Interior wise, I can't complain. Some say it's cheap and some say it's nice. I personally liked it a lot, especially the dash, but then again I'm not TOO picky about interior as long as it's not shit ugly. Also liked the amount of space it had in the car whereas the BRZ seams crammed, but I can't complain since i try not to take people/large items around anyways. After all I did want a two seater before considering the brz. Overall interior wise, the brz and rsx are pretty even with a slight lean towards the brz.

Power wise, brz wins right off the bat, mainly because I had a base. The torque in the brz is nice for daily driving but it feels under powered in the higher rpms (guy let me smash when i test drove a brz a while ago). HOWEVER, the type s rsx wins in comparison to the brz. Much better gearing, higher revving, and responds to mods VERY nicely. The k series is by far my favorite 4cyl NA motor to this day.

That being said RWD>FWD and LSD>Open diff. Overall BRZ>RSX type s. The rwd and superb handling outweigh the lack of power in the brz IMO.
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I agree with a lot of the people on here. Overall the Toyobaru is the better car. But when it comes to FA20 vs K20. The K20 is slightly better.
I'm still disappointed the FA20 makes similar power to the old Toyota 2ZZ-GE engine.
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To be honest the k20 was a lot better than the fa20. Just the 8.5k redline is hell lot funner. Term of potential the k20 wins. The fa20 isn't that amazing. the most amazing thing to be about it is how with modern emissions laws the manage to make it fuel efficient and and still push 198hp
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To be honest the k20 was a lot better than the fa20. Just the 8.5k redline is hell lot funner. Term of potential the k20 wins. The fa20 isn't that amazing. the most amazing thing to be about it is how with modern emissions laws the manage to make it fuel efficient and and still push 198hp
Hard to see a car become a classic collectable with strict emission laws, not saying any of these cars will be.
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Drive it back to back with a maintained DC2 (ie not one with ripped bushings, etc lol) and it's obvious. The DC2 has heavier steering, less isolated and is more fun to drive. A buddy who used to own a RSX-S used to switch cars with me all the time so he could drive a DC2 again. I'd leave his RSX sitting in the driveway most of the time and take one of my other cars. If you came to the RSX-S from say, a B15 SE-R I'd completely agree, but there were simply better hondas in the past... so if you come from one of those the RSX-S was a HUGE letdown.

What's wrong with the B15 SE-R?
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Old 12-05-2013, 03:45 PM   #95
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I always liked the DC5, however I liked the 2zz_GE better
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What's wrong with the B15 SE-R?
Steering feel, shifter is subpar compared to other FWD cars, worst than the B13 still

Just not a fan. Drove one expecting to love it and it didn't live up to my expectations. Happily drove away with my (as the salesman said) "old technology car".
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Steering feel, shifter is subpar compared to other FWD cars, worst than the B13 still

Just not a fan. Drove one expecting to love it and it didn't live up to my expectations. Happily drove away with my (as the salesman said) "old technology car".

I have a B15 SE-R Spec V and my car still works like new. It's stock but I will install the nismo catback eventually.
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I have a B15 SE-R Spec V and my car still works like new. It's stock but I will install the nismo catback eventually.
Reliable for sure

Just wasn't worth selling one of my cars back then for one
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