Dealer interaction questions.

[executor]

Originally Posted by Monogram

Evidently you have never owned a vehicle with push button start, and doors that open by simply grabbing the handle. No digging keys out of your pocket (or purse), no keys dangling and slapping around in the vehicle, no need to use the fob. It is a nice touch.

It's easy not to like things you do not have.

there is a saying and it goes a little something like this

the more technology you put in a car, the more things that can go wrong
and the more things that can go wrong in these vastly complex systems means that they become extremely expensive to repair

in the end who's the bigger fool? the one that doesn't want to get with the changing times? or the one with the empty bank account?

[Billylammerkins]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

But it's not one of those things that you can't give up once you have it either.

Completely wrong. (In my case)

I previously leased a 2012 Mercedes C-Class (which had a push button start, leather, gorgeous interior) Don't miss any of it one bit. Something about putting that key in the ignition and turning it over is mildly orgasmic. Maybe thats just me though.

[Ammonia]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

It doesn't matter about the Pure-Price. The Pure-Price is there by Toyota, so less people get Rip-Off, in order to build the Brand Name.

There is always :

MRSP > Invoice > Hold U can interpret it as Above Market > Good buy > Below Market

Now their Pure Price, I don't know how exactly they Construct it, but there is always Room to flex in there. Truecar.com is the website that collect Real time Data of Sold vehicles. That means you can always pull that price, or even better.

Dealer can always sell car at Invoice, or below Invoice price. They will not loose any money. Because there is a thing, that "hold" the real car cost in there. I forgot the true Terminology.

For Example, Invoice of a car is 23,000. The "Hold" value on the car usually is 1,500-2,000 on it. That is how some people are able to negotiate below invoice. Most of the time you can only have 500-1000 in this Hold area....you have to do some legs works. They won't give this in for you that easy, however at Invoice number they will.

Sometimes, just depend on your luck. They may need to hit their Quota for the Bonus from the Manufacturer. They will sell you a car at their loss, for the Bonus or Quota. Give the small, net in the big....kinda game. But that only happen a few times a year...mostly once per quarter. Toward the end of the Quarter or the month or both!!!

Now this Negotiation does not Include any Manufacturer Rebate, Cash, Discount yet. Toyota have November to Remember. I think you can lock in 0% now ? I don't know about their time frame.

Good luck shopping though. Tell them that you are aware of the "pure price" but if they are not willing to discount you, that mean you are buying it else where, even if it is a BR-Z.

A local dealer already offered me 2500 off on a 2014 BR-Z already. But I am still holding out, and waiting for the STI to see.

Do not rush, willing to walk out, remember "It is your Money, Your car"

Good luck shopping, be brave, and you will learn

You're referring to Holdback. I'm a manager at a Dodge dealership, and its true, holdback does let us sell below invoice sometimes. Definitely helps us stay in business when we lose money over and over in deals because of TrueCar pricing lol.

Remember, the cheaper the car, the less profit innately built into the MSRP. $2500 off a twin sounds like an excellent deal to me.

Btw holdback is rarely anywhere near $2,000 lol, at least for Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram/SRT. For example, holdback on a $52,000 Laramie Longhorn Ram 1500 is about $1,100. Not sure about other brands though.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by Ammonia

You're referring to Holdback. I'm a manager at a Dodge dealership, and its true, holdback does let us sell below invoice sometimes. Definitely helps us stay in business when we lose money over and over in deals because of TrueCar pricing lol.

Remember, the cheaper the car, the less profit innately built into the MSRP. $2500 off a twin sounds like an excellent deal to me.

Btw holdback is rarely anywhere near $2,000 lol, at least for Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram/SRT. For example, holdback on a $52,000 Laramie Longhorn Ram 1500 is about $1,100. Not sure about other brands though.

Thank you for the extras info. I do know 2500 off is excellent for the twin. I am just fighting myself to wait for the STI.

Problem with me is because my family live has just started. I will have more baby to come, and of course with them, being sporty will be hard.

4 doors, and AWD will be excellent though.

I do agree, however the true car pricing is. Customers like us will have to land it fair for both sides, the dealer and the consumers. That was how I dealt with my last car.

Again, it was excellent of you to let us know that info. I am sure many more will appreciate it as well, when they go buy into the twin, or just any car

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by Monogram

I'm missing your point. Why give it up if you do not have to give it up?

Because some things, while convenient, aren't always necessary. Every car that I had before came with a sunroof/moonroof (Honda Accord, Isuzu Rodeo, Mercedes E320) until I got an Evo. While it was an option on one of the packages, I didn't care for the other crap that it came with, so I gave it up. Before actually making the purchase, I was kind of bummed, but seven years later, I haven't missed a sunroof one bit. But that's just me, some of those things aren't that big of a deal to me.

Originally Posted by Billylammerkins

Completely wrong. (In my case)

I previously leased a 2012 Mercedes C-Class (which had a push button start, leather, gorgeous interior) Don't miss any of it one bit. Something about putting that key in the ignition and turning it over is mildly orgasmic. Maybe thats just me though.

So what you're saying is that you agree with me then, right?

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Not really, a microwave is something that helps speed up the cooking process so you don't need to pre-heat an oven and bake something for 30 minutes... especially if you just don't have an oven, such as when you're at work and eating lunch within the office.


The whole keyless pushbutton start is cool but it doesn't really save you much time or effort. It's certainly not the type of convenience that revolutionized things. So yeah, not quite.

[Billylammerkins]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

Not really, a microwave is something that helps speed up the cooking process so you don't need to pre-heat an oven and bake something for 30 minutes... especially if you just don't have an oven, such as when you're at work and eating lunch within the office.


The whole keyless pushbutton start is cool but it doesn't really save you much time or effort. It's certainly not the type of convenience that revolutionized things. So yeah, not quite.

Not gonna lie, girls love that shit though.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

What, microwaves? Definitely makes their job easier. (Just kidding.)

[ntron1]

Are you buying a payment or a car? How much was the car? How much tax? How much in fees? What interest rate? These are far more important that the payment they offered you which BTW was about 9% Interest.....

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Monogram

..........
Get in, sit down, foot on brake, and tap button..........I consider it a revolutionary use of technology that I prefer on my new vehicles......

WOW - reminds me of the 1950 Ford tractor, back on the farm; jump on, mash down on the clutch, hit the start button, cram that puppy in gear, pull down on the gas lever and pop the clutch......

DANG, are we making progress or what ....

humfrz

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Monogram

I took a few pieces of farm equipment for joyrides in my younger years... Logging equipment also. Maybe its nostalgic?

Yep, I thought the start button was pretty slick ..... cause I didn't have to use a hand crank to start that puppy ....

(somebody should just shoot me .... )

humfrz

[trekkie]

Some other tips:

As mentioned, get quotes from multiple dealers. Bring them with you, let them know who you are talking too.

Get one over the phone from a nearby city as well. As you're doing any talking about price, shuffle through each one on the table with the dealer name prominently written above each page.

That should give you the most leverage.

I don't know about most other places, but the rumored rust protection and other things are something from the 80s, I've never seen it and I've bought a car every three years since about 2001, multiple dealers / car types in multiple states. I find the service contract of value (all scheduled maintenance) because just do the math, if you don't do your own maintenance it's usually well worth it if you aren't leasing.

If you are the 24 months + 12 more months of the typical lease it's less expensive not to get the contract.

Some dealers also will deal if you commit to service at their location. Not all, but some take it into consideration if you're a repeat customer.

The hardest thing? walk away if they won't deal.