NBA Pick Up Game (Top 5 EVER)

[Chee-Hu]

Originally Posted by Sully

I think Bird of Magic are better comparisons to LBJ.

I'd have to agree with this!

Lots of debate regarding LBJ's "killer instinct." It's kind of hard when you're in a team who has players that can take over a game at any given day. He did try back in 2007, but came up short unfortunately. Timmy got the upper hands in that series.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Vides990

Youre right defense today is considerably more organized, much more intense and effects the flow of offense much more then anytime in NBA history. While the defense isnt as physical its much harder to breakdown. I dont think you watched game 6 if you dont think Lebron was angry, he was on a different level focus wise and thats because of what KG & Pierce had said/done to him the game before. LBJ dominated, not Mia as a team.

Also, he passed Kobe years ago, Kobe isnt even close to as good as Lebron is, MJ still retains the crown for now.

i wouldnt say that defense is better though. i mean in an absolute sense it might be better but when you consider the fact that the league is giving the offense more and more power its less effective. scoring is the highest its been in fifteen years or so. im not trying to take anything from lebron. he passed kobe because kobe is old. thats how it happens but in these players primes, kobe can probably be in the conversation with jordan but not really lebron.

Originally Posted by M-17

Hmm, I gotta admit, stats don't lie.

But I still don't see the drive in LeBron like MJ or Kobe does though.

numbers do lie though and thats the problem. you can set stats up to show whatever you want. kobe has the most winning shots and if you look at them, a lot of them should be impossible to make. jordan could get to easier shots and kobe could make more difficult shots. i dont get to watch too many heat games but the game winners he makes arent nearly as inspiring imo.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Chee-Hu

I'd have to agree with this!

Lots of debate regarding LBJ's "killer instinct." It's kind of hard when you're in a team who has players that can take over a game at any given day. He did try back in 2007, but came up short unfortunately. Timmy got the upper hands in that series.

while i agree that those players are a much better comparison, i think that you could argue that jordan had a very talented team as well as kobe when they primed and they managed to display that mentality.

[M-17]

Originally Posted by fatoni

numbers do lie though and thats the problem. you can set stats up to show whatever you want. kobe has the most winning shots and if you look at them, a lot of them should be impossible to make. jordan could get to easier shots and kobe could make more difficult shots. i dont get to watch too many heat games but the game winners he makes arent nearly as inspiring imo.

Thank you. I was waiting for someone to say that.

[JDMenrique]

Tim Duncan or Karl Malone? GO.

[M-17]

Originally Posted by JDMenrique

Tim Duncan or Karl Malone? GO.

I love and respect the Mail Man's game. That guy would out muscle a lot of players (even in today's standards) and played smart around the hoop too.

Duncan and Malone can both play the post well, rebound, block, and finish at the basket better than most. However Duncan seems like he's more built for a longer career, can shoot further out, and pass better than Malone.

So I'd take Duncan over Malone.

[Sully]

Duncan. More creative, more skilled, better range. Didn't have a ton of his production spoon fed to him like Malone did. Also, Duncan is deceptively strong, so isn't conceding that much to Malone there.

Come on, seriously. Duncan is the consensus GOAT PF. Malone was a great player, but I'd take KG over him as well. And Dirk, depending on the center.

Disclaimer: I'm from San Antonio.

[Chee-Hu]

Originally Posted by JDMenrique

Tim Duncan or Karl Malone? GO.

I'd have to go with the mail man. Sure, he's sometimes limited to pick-and-rolls to score, but so does Timmy. Besides, I think Malone would toss Timmy around down in the post.

[JDMenrique]

Originally Posted by Sully

Duncan. More creative, more skilled, better range. Didn't have a ton of his production spoon fed to him like Malone did. Also, Duncan is deceptively strong, so isn't conceding that much to Malone there.

Come on, seriously. Duncan is the consensus GOAT PF. Malone was a great player, but I'd take KG over him as well. And Dirk, depending on the center.

Disclaimer: I'm from San Antonio.

Opinion appreciated but they both have different skill sets. I feel as if, for the sake of comparison, Duncan is a mash between Malone and Dirk. He can stretch the floor with the mid range but can bully his way down low which is why he's an all time great. Karl was a beast down low and honestly I think, though it would be competitive, he would throw Garnett around. He may have not been liked by many but he wasn't the 2nd leading scorer of all time for no reason.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by fatoni

of course he is a monster. especially at his position but you will never see an all time great in a flop compilation or being carried off the court for leg cramps. lebron doesnt play well angry like kobe or jordan and in the nineties, there were plenty of defenders who could make lebron angry.

LOL... You have never had a leg cramp. It is such an excruciating and immobilizing pain....

I've only had i once in my life and was actually playing ball. Was doing everything on the court, had scored like 30 points, stole a ball on a tied game with seconds left was racing down the court to score an easy game winning layup. Around the three point line took one step and it just felt weird, like never before. Next step with the same leg and I was rolling around on the floor screaming of pain (I could not take two more steps and win the game, I threw the ball up as good as I could but my body was shutting down). At some point in my life I have broken both knees, a wrist, the nose and even that same day suffered a bad landing on a hard foul driving to the basket, the leg cramp pain trumps them all except one knee break (not the other).

It is STUPID the amount of pain and how powerless you can become. I laugh my ASS off really hard at anyone that thinks cramps are nothing. That shit HURTS and renders you useless.

Actually when i saw him hit the three from almost half court cramped up that was like Fucking WOW.... Hitting that shot with the stakes and with no legs, that was some shit. But yeah he was flopping that too...

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by JDMenrique

ALL: Please take a second to read and discuss.


I understand why some people don't like LeBron, whether its because of the decision or him just being a rival player. What I don't understand is where the "hater" logic comes from. He's dubbed as not being clutch in big games, being terrible in last second shots, ect. Where does all this come from?

I did a little research and came up with this:

----------------PPG RPG APG FG%
Regular Season 27.6 7.3 6.9 49
Playoffs ---------28 8.6 6.7 47.2
Facing Elimination 31.5 10 6.4 46.4




Now, for the obligatory comparison to Jordan. Here’s how James’ numbers stack up to Jordan’s when facing elimination.




-------------PPG RPG APG FG%
LeBron James 31.5 10 6.4 46.4
Michael Jordan 31.3 7.9 7 44.5

Both MJ and James have very similar stats and some may even argue the James was better in those type of games. James currently has a 7-6 record in elimination games while Jordan finished his career under .500 at 6-7. But we say LeBron isn't clutch.

Lastly, I will add these career number and throw Kobe in the mix:

Jordan: 30-6-5 and 27.91 PER (1st NBA history)
Lebron: 28-7-7 and 27.65 PER (2nd NBA history)
Kobe: 26-5-5 and 23.41 PER (19th NBA history)



Number's don't lie, perception does.

Its really funny because stats are awesome to everyone until they uncover cold hard truths and then they are wrong and misleading.

BTW, Mr. No heart or clutch hit a game winning shot today

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[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

LOL... You have never had a leg cramp. It is such an excruciating and immobilizing pain....

I've only had i once in my life and was actually playing ball. Was doing everything on the court, had scored like 30 points, stole a ball on a tied game with seconds left was racing down the court to score an easy game winning layup. Around the three point line took one step and it just felt weird, like never before. Next step with the same leg and I was rolling around on the floor screaming of pain (I could not take two more steps and win the game, I threw the ball up as good as I could but my body was shutting down). At some point in my life I have broken both knees, a wrist, the nose and even that same day suffered a bad landing on a hard foul driving to the basket, the leg cramp pain trumps them all except one knee break (not the other).

It is STUPID the amount of pain and how powerless you can become. I laugh my ASS off really hard at anyone that thinks cramps are nothing. That shit HURTS and renders you useless.

Actually when i saw him hit the three from almost half court cramped up that was like Fucking WOW.... Hitting that shot with the stakes and with no legs, that was some shit. But yeah he was flopping that too...

ill entertain the fanboyism.

i have, in fact, had a muscle cramp. twice while playing basketball. i get that they arent fun. heres the thing though, have you ever ruptured your achilles tendon? because i have while playing basketball. so if we are going to allow our personal experiences to carry weight, there is only one of us qualified to compare the injuries. im not trying to take anything away from lebron. hes easily the best player in todays league. he just isnt on that level with jordan or kobe.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by fatoni

ill entertain the fanboyism.

i have, in fact, had a muscle cramp. twice while playing basketball. i get that they arent fun. heres the thing though, have you ever ruptured your achilles tendon? because i have while playing basketball. so if we are going to allow our personal experiences to carry weight, there is only one of us qualified to compare the injuries. im not trying to take anything away from lebron. hes easily the best player in todays league. he just isnt on that level with jordan or kobe.

I wonder where in my statement I even remotely implied a cramp is worse than an Achilles rupture?

I don't understand what does Kobe rupturing his Achilles has anything to do with LeBron cramping up. I take nothing away from Kobe so why even mention it?

If you like ballhoggers than Kobe or Melo are your guys. Nothing wrong with that. We are all different and have different tastes and likes. Kobe has a great killer instinct. I don't take a thing away from him.

I personally like playing the game of basketball sharing the ball while still being able to dominate it at will, so my guy is LeBron. Anyone saying a cramp is nothing and you can play right through it is a hater honestly, who are we to say in how much pain anyone is?

I always laugh when someone who doesn't play is watching a game, a player twists an ankle, is rolling on the floor in pain, laces them up tight and continues playing. The person who doesn't play says "oh, look at that flop!!" Well Einstein, if you would have ever played, a twist ankle hurts bad, but since your body is hot pain goes away fast, adrenaline kicks in and you keep playing like nothing. After the game is when it gets good.

I'm on the phone so if this post has mistakes, blame Autocorrect