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bakerr6 · 11-05-2013, 03:06 PM

I'll be looking forward to this in the very near future. When are oyu planning on running generic FI maps? I know you have a lot on your plate, I'm just trying to decide on running this or a haltech unit. OFC I already bought this and have been happy with it so far.

EZWood · 11-05-2013, 03:14 PM

Dynojet?

Shiv@Openflash · 11-05-2013, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bakerr6

I'll be looking forward to this in the very near future. When are oyu planning on running generic FI maps? I know you have a lot on your plate, I'm just trying to decide on running this or a haltech unit. OFC I already bought this and have been happy with it so far.

We should have OTS supercharger maps later this month. Specifically for Vortech and Phantom SC since I have these dyno tuning appointments lined up in the near future.

Shiv@Openflash · 11-05-2013, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZWood

Dynojet?

Yes. These were dynojet results.

CajunFRS · 11-05-2013, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

We should have OTS supercharger maps later this month. Specifically for Vortech and Phantom SC since I have these dyno tuning appointments lined up in the near future.

Phantom SC tunes oooooo.

overlookedx · 11-05-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

OpenFlash Tablet.... $496
4-1 catless EL Header.... $600
Perrin foam filter.... $50
Modified Intake Duct*.... $free
E85... $3.50/gallon

Gaining 20whp and 20wtq with a simple 5 minute reflash.... PRICELESS

Can't wait to try this stuff out! I'm afraid I'll be addicted to E85 though.

marcosowns · 11-05-2013, 04:20 PM

Can we use this tune even if we don't have the EL header? Or will there be another tune released that doesn't require the header? Thank you for the great work!

forzajuve · 11-05-2013, 04:25 PM

Thanks. I was also asking @ mkivsoopra but I would like to hear your feedback as well...

This is from another member on a thread I created, he says,

"E85 however is also more corrosive. Only time will tell how our system will handle E85. Give it a few years for concrete evidence of how our vehicle handles This. We have two fuel systems (DI & Port) and very little has been tested. However there are a number of vehicles that have been running ethanol based fuels for a fair number of miles.

E85 also tends to "clean" the engine. It typically has a slight water content, as well as its corrosive properties tend to keep the internals nice and clean. This however also can damage seals and other components not rated for ethanol. However our cars are regulated by US regulations to handle a specific % of ethanol tolerance. Increasing the ethanol % will just increase corrosion.

So there are ups and downs to E85 compared to other fuels.
So to recap:

The Good
Higher octane
Better cooling properties
Carbon buildup preventive/cleaning
Lower cost per gallon

The Bad
Increased corrosive properties. This may cause problems down the road
Untested long term in our vehicles
More injection required to run stoich. This means lower fuel economy and more frequent fill ups.
Should technically require a dyno tune for optimal power gains. (There are still some gains that can be generically and or done via remote tuning!)

The Ugly
Don't believe anyone that says it is 100% safe. They are likely trying to sell something to you. This has not been tested long term, however it has been tested on quite a few vehicles.

-----------------------
Would you agree and what have you noticed? Is this true?

vgi · 11-05-2013, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by overlookedx

Can't wait to try this stuff out! I'm afraid I'll be addicted to E85 though.

i'm sure there's gotta be some AA meetings around you

continuecrushing · 11-05-2013, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

We should have OTS supercharger maps later this month. Specifically for Vortech and Phantom SC since I have these dyno tuning appointments lined up in the near future.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CajunFRS

Phantom SC tunes oooooo.

hmm...Might be jumping onto the OFT faster/sooner than I thought.
e85...done
phantom...Pending/scheduled
e85 flexfuel?...this is the last thing I'm waiting for

jeebus · 11-05-2013, 05:16 PM

I'd also like to know if this will be safe to run without the header. There's two E85 station in San Diego but one happens to be right by where I work...so I mean.... FOR SCIENCE!

forzajuve · 11-05-2013, 05:24 PM

I also wanted to say thanks for providing this to the community. With the results you just posted, for the people who want to stay NA, we can now do so at an affordable cost AND we can safely say we compete with a Honda s2000's (AP2) power. I would really like to see a head-to-head of a s2000 vs. FRS with the specs you provided.

I think this helps put NA vs FI in perspective as well. It did for me at least. After seeing this, NA seems like a more sensible way to go at least for now.

bakerr6 · 11-05-2013, 05:39 PM

I'm just excited to get e85 at this point. I plan on going FI, but I like the progressive stages we are starting with hehe

RSH · 11-05-2013, 06:14 PM

Is there a dynojet result for this same setup on premium fuel? It would be nice to compare apples to apples since the Stage 2 dyno in the other thread is Mustang and does not compare to stock.

11-05-2013, 05:16 PM	#39
jeebus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2015 Mustang GT (on order) Location: San Diego Posts: 904 Thanks: 114 Thanked 471 Times in 208 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s)	I'd also like to know if this will be safe to run without the header. There's two E85 station in San Diego but one happens to be right by where I work...so I mean.... FOR SCIENCE! __________________

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11-05-2013, 03:06 PM	#29
bakerr6 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 raven black fr-s Location: cincinnati, oh Posts: 1,447 Thanks: 503 Thanked 443 Times in 305 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s)	I'll be looking forward to this in the very near future. When are oyu planning on running generic FI maps? I know you have a lot on your plate, I'm just trying to decide on running this or a haltech unit. OFC I already bought this and have been happy with it so far.

11-05-2013, 03:14 PM	#30
EZWood BAMF Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 13 fr-s, whiteout, MT. 94 ZJ Location: Apache Junction, Az Posts: 1,007 Thanks: 209 Thanked 345 Times in 215 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s)	Dynojet?

11-05-2013, 04:20 PM	#35
marcosowns Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: 2014 Lexus IS350 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 72 Thanks: 34 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	Can we use this tune even if we don't have the EL header? Or will there be another tune released that doesn't require the header? Thank you for the great work!

11-05-2013, 04:25 PM	#36
forzajuve Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: Ultramarine 86 - 6MT Location: California Posts: 533 Thanks: 184 Thanked 139 Times in 82 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	Thanks. I was also asking @ mkivsoopra but I would like to hear your feedback as well... This is from another member on a thread I created, he says, "E85 however is also more corrosive. Only time will tell how our system will handle E85. Give it a few years for concrete evidence of how our vehicle handles This. We have two fuel systems (DI & Port) and very little has been tested. However there are a number of vehicles that have been running ethanol based fuels for a fair number of miles. E85 also tends to "clean" the engine. It typically has a slight water content, as well as its corrosive properties tend to keep the internals nice and clean. This however also can damage seals and other components not rated for ethanol. However our cars are regulated by US regulations to handle a specific % of ethanol tolerance. Increasing the ethanol % will just increase corrosion. So there are ups and downs to E85 compared to other fuels. So to recap: The Good Higher octane Better cooling properties Carbon buildup preventive/cleaning Lower cost per gallon The Bad Increased corrosive properties. This may cause problems down the road Untested long term in our vehicles More injection required to run stoich. This means lower fuel economy and more frequent fill ups. Should technically require a dyno tune for optimal power gains. (There are still some gains that can be generically and or done via remote tuning!) The Ugly Don't believe anyone that says it is 100% safe. They are likely trying to sell something to you. This has not been tested long term, however it has been tested on quite a few vehicles. ----------------------- Would you agree and what have you noticed? Is this true?

11-05-2013, 05:24 PM	#40
forzajuve Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: Ultramarine 86 - 6MT Location: California Posts: 533 Thanks: 184 Thanked 139 Times in 82 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	I also wanted to say thanks for providing this to the community. With the results you just posted, for the people who want to stay NA, we can now do so at an affordable cost AND we can safely say we compete with a Honda s2000's (AP2) power. I would really like to see a head-to-head of a s2000 vs. FRS with the specs you provided. I think this helps put NA vs FI in perspective as well. It did for me at least. After seeing this, NA seems like a more sensible way to go at least for now.

11-05-2013, 05:39 PM	#41
bakerr6 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 raven black fr-s Location: cincinnati, oh Posts: 1,447 Thanks: 503 Thanked 443 Times in 305 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s)	I'm just excited to get e85 at this point. I plan on going FI, but I like the progressive stages we are starting with hehe

11-05-2013, 06:14 PM	#42
RSH Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2014 BRZ Limited Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	Is there a dynojet result for this same setup on premium fuel? It would be nice to compare apples to apples since the Stage 2 dyno in the other thread is Mustang and does not compare to stock.

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