Hill Holder on Manual Transmission?

[neutron256]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Wait what? Cuz my Impreza don't think have one

Yeah what? I had two imprezas and neither had hill assist. I personally think its a nice feature even if I don't really need it.

It would have been really nice when I was first learning to drive. I remember a few tense moments on a steep hill with someone stopped way to close behind me.

[[es vi: eks]]

Originally Posted by Numbchux

Subaru has been putting hill holders on their cars since the early '80s. They're very reliable and very handy.


Duluth is an extremely hilly town (whole city is built on the hill overlooking Lake Superior), I found the hillholder so nice on my old subarus. Necessary? No. But if it's an option, sign me up!

I know my old 1987/8 Subaru Omega had a hill holder.
I never could work out how to make it work tho.
I just used the hand brake on hills.

[chulooz]

As long as you can disable it like on the newer STIs I dont care, I think its a stupid aid if you learned how to start properly on a hill.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by djdnz

People actually use the ebrake on a hill? I just move my feet quickly...

^^^ this.

[Maxim]

Never had a problem with this....just be quick with your feet? If you were behind me on an incline and the light turned green, you probably wouldn't be able to tell I was driving a manual...it can be done pretty easily without any creep backwards. Haven't really had this issue after the first few weeks of owning my first manual transmission car.

That said, I don't see why it would be a "bad" feature to have. It's not like it actually introduces anything new to fail. It's just a bit of extra programming that holds brake pressure until the throttle begins to be depressed. You don't really even need a sensor in the vehicle to measure the angle, if it's programmed well. As the previous poster from Duluth said, it can be pretty nice...and in Duluth it's compounded in the winter....even a slight motion backwards can make it difficult to avoid spinning the wheels if you're on ice/snow and an incline. (I spend a lot of time in Duluth when I'm stateside, great place!)

I'd much rather have a version of Nissan's auto-blip manual tranny than this bit of tech though...

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Syldrin

there are hills in texas? O.o


j/k i doubt it man. it's not a common feature.

Sure, there's a whole bunch of them. An entire region of them, actually.

We're creative down here, we named it 'The Texas Hill Country'.

Lotsa good roads.

[mastawyrm]

My Mini has it but my camaro, gli, and pickup do not. I don't have trouble with hills but it's still a welcome feature. You hold the brake, push the clutch in and the car makes the brake stick for a few seconds after releasing the brake pedal, it's not a complicated system. It's not some electromechanical system applying brake force, YOU have to push the brake first then the computer simply manipulates the ABS system to hold the brake force for a few seconds. Don't worry about extra complexity.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by Maxim

That said, I don't see why it would be a "bad" feature to have. It's not like it actually introduces anything new to fail. It's just a bit of extra programming that holds brake pressure until the throttle begins to be depressed. You don't really even need a sensor in the vehicle to measure the angle, if it's programmed well. As the previous poster from Duluth said, it can be pretty nice...and in Duluth it's compounded in the winter....even a slight motion backwards can make it difficult to avoid spinning the wheels if you're on ice/snow and an incline. (I spend a lot of time in Duluth when I'm stateside, great place!)

I'd much rather have a version of Nissan's auto-blip manual tranny than this bit of tech though...

Unfortunately Subaru's hill assist does have a big negative.

On newer WRXs the feature cannot be turned off. So when drivers that can actually start quickly/well on an incline attempt to do their thing issues arise. The system lags the process by automatically sustaining brake pressure, thus causing the driver to usually stall.

In my opinion such newer driver aids should have been foregone in this model. Nissan's auto-blip feature is just another system that eliminates the connective benefits of a manual transmission.

[maxeveland]

wow i didnt even know this feature existed on any car. like most users said before, i just move feet quickly

[RRnold]

Take a trip to San Francisco, that'll help you learn how to balance the clutch and gas in no time!

[Saibot]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Take a trip to San Francisco, that'll help you learn how to balance the clutch and gas in no time!

more like scare tha shiet out of me

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Saibot

more like scare tha shiet out of me

hill holder would be nice on a snowy hill

[86'd]

When I first started driving manual I tried the e-brake thing, but it was more trouble than it's worth, so like most of you, I just move my feet quickly.

My wife would like this feature but I doubt that she'd drive the car at all though.

[Palmy]

This thread upsets me.
+1 to l2drive