Florida Cop Tasers Cuffed Girl Who Became Braindead As A Result

[86 Dreams]

I'm talking about now not 20 yrs ago. They all didn't walk around with tasers back then. And if they did one of the cops would have been tasering king in that video.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Tyranny is tyranny, regardless of race.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...n-coma/1194417

Karma is karma, regardless of race.

[boxer 2.5]

Police are a military force. They abide by statutes, laws, and senior officers. However, when in the field, their actions are of their own consent. They have the ability to bend or even break those laws. And with such power in the government, how are we to know if their wrong-doings are covered up? If those that are complying with the laws and serving the public are bunched up with the high-school dropouts with a badge on their chest? This is why there are problems. There needs to be higher level of testing, mandatory re-testing, and phsycological testing done on those that wish to be in law enforcement. And not only mentally, but physically as well. Would you rather have an obese bully guarding your life or a quick, fit, intelligent officer? Just my well thought two cents.

[OrbitalEllipses]

You all do know a judge ruled that the police have no duty to protect citizens? I'll find the case as it gets brought up a lot in 2A discussions.

If there's no duty to protect, then they're just paid enforcers of whatever heinous laws there are. Let's not even begin that the executive branch acts like the judicial branch out in the field, interpreting the law. That's not their job. This conversation could spin out, so I'll end it here.

[OrangeJuleas]

Originally Posted by Atropine

She was trash....world is better off without her...read the article posted...

The car was stolen that she wrecked twice...
She and her mom have drug convictions...
She fled from cops....

It had to be said.

Yes police brutality occurs...

But yeah, what should he have done? A taser by definition is NOT LETHAL force.
Unfortunate that she fell and died from her injuries.
But she was involved in a hit run...she doesn't give a fuck about anyone else...yet we should feel bad for her and her POS mother?

I am ex-military...I work in an emergency room...I see these "types" of people all the time.

Trust me...the cure for cancer was not lost by her dying.

Now that video of the cop shooting the guy...that was some horrible shit and that cop should face murder 2 or at least manslaughter charges.

@Atropine, I think you are missing the point. The point is not whether she was a good human being in your eyes, but whether it would be fair to apply this to all people. And then, depending on how comfortable we get with using the taser (ITS NOT DEDLY FORCE LOL! when it, in fact, was the indirect cause of death here), how often we are willing to jump to that solution.

Yes, she did some bad things, but as @whaap mentioned earlier, who hasn't? How are you so casually writing off the amount of resources society has put into a living creature so easily? Surely she meant something to some people. Just because she wasn't your "type" doesn't mean that she deserves to die. This is the same justification people have been using to kill others indiscriminately since the beginning of time. Doesn't make it right.

Also, it says in that article FHP policy allows troopers to use Tasers when it "reasonably appears necessary to control non-compliant individuals who have escalated their level of resistance from passive physical resistance to active physical resistance (i.e.: bracing, tensing, pushing, or pulling)." That was definitely passive resistance. Even so, bracing or tensing is considered a tase-able level of resistance? Holy shit, remind me not to fart if someone is pointing a taser at me.

I am shocked (no pun intended) at how comfortable we've become with electrocuting people and causing accidental death and saying "well, they deserved it", or "they would've died some other way anyway".

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by OrangeJuleas

the taser (ITS NOT DEDLY FORCE LOL! when it, in fact, was the indirect cause of death here)

So was:
-Her stealing a car
-Her driving like an asshat in said car
-Her hitting two other vehicles and running
-Her running from the cops

Those play a bigger role as the officer would have never been near or nor would have used a taser on her that day if it had not been for those events.

The other video posted in here, just based on the video, is far worse. Now I don't have all the facts there, and no one does here in this case either. I sure as hell can't see if that guy on the ground pulls a gun before the officer fires his last shot for example. I don't know how that chick was acting or what she said before she ran, maybe she told the officer to fuck off, maybe she told him she was going to run into traffic and kill herself. Who knows, all we have is what was recorded and that's rarely ever perfect.

Regardless he made a choice that tragically resulted in a death. That force was applied to stop the sitation immediately. If the cop wasn't an unfit 260lb guy, he likely could have just chased her for 5 feet but he probably knew that he would never catch her so he stopped it via other means.

While I find it tragic, and believe that officers should never be allowed to work with that lack of physical conditioning, I'm not actually opposed to him ending the situation how he did. I also have no sympathy for people who run from the cops. He's not like he just walked up to her and blasted her with a taser for calling him an asshole.

[OrangeJuleas]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

So was:
-Her stealing a car
-Her driving like an asshat in said car
-Her hitting two other vehicles and running
-Her running from the cops

Those play a bigger role as the officer would have never been near or nor would have used a taser on her that day if it had not been for those events.

The other video posted in here, just based on the video, is far worse. Now I don't have all the facts there, and no one does here in this case either. I sure as hell can't see if that guy on the ground pulls a gun before the officer fires his last shot for example. I don't know how that chick was acting or what she said before she ran, maybe she told the officer to fuck off, maybe she told him she was going to run into traffic and kill herself. Who knows, all we have is what was recorded and that's rarely ever perfect.

Regardless he made a choice that tragically resulted in a death. That force was applied to stop the sitation immediately. If the cop wasn't an unfit 260lb guy, he likely could have just chased her for 5 feet but he probably knew that he would never catch her so he stopped it via other means.

While I find it tragic, and believe that officers should never be allowed to work with that lack of physical conditioning, I'm not actually opposed to him ending the situation how he did. I also have no sympathy for people who run from the cops. He's not like he just walked up to her and blasted her with a taser for calling him an asshole.

How about including, "being born" and "having a mother" there as well? People still commit crimes, until we live in a perfect world, we will have to deal with it as fairly as possible, should we ever find ourselves on that side. I wouldn't take it as far back as that, because committing a crime can also get you tackled and subdued, or in some cases, shot. But there were only two outcomes in this situation and in my opinion, he utilized the wrong one. I can understand the immediacy of the situation. I just hope all officers don't think that "just use the taser" is the go-to solution for all of life's immediate concerns now. Where is the judgment?

Also, they knew where she lived and all, so it's not like they would have lost her forever.

Also also, if she called the cop an asshole to his face and tried to run, he may have tased her anyway. It would have been the same situation without handcuffs.

[Steve201brz]

He ran 10 (maybe 15) feet past the door before giving up. Made absolutely no attempt to grab her by the arm. Dislocating her shoulder would of been a lot better than even tackling her. Looked like he used the tazer just to make his job easier. That's what I have a problem with.

These are the people that should have the highest amount of professionalism considering they are supposed to "protect & serve". But who am I kidding, they protect and serve themselves on most occasions. I've seen a fair share of LEO who's emotions clearly influence their actions. Especially when a drunk talks back or makes smart-ass comments

I am in no way shape or form defending the girl.

[JDMenrique]

I have almost 6 years total law enforcement experience but its been about 2 years since I've worked face to face with people in the field.

My job requires me to use the minimum force required to gain compliance, excessive force is never authorized. That being said, I don't know exactly what happened but only analyzing the few seconds of the video I feel that in that situation I would've just ran after her and picked her up. I feel tazing was excessive regardless of the out come.

AGAIN, I am not playing Monday morning QB.

[SoCal909]

Originally Posted by UltraFRS

Here's my take on it...

Don't break the law, don't fight police, don't run from the police.

Having worked in law enforcement for the last 6 years I see nothing wrong with what he did. The taser is a tool. I have had people run from me and other officers before we had tasers and there is a high probability of getting hurt running after someone, taking them to the ground, and fighting them. Which could be a reason why he used it.

I know about this because I recently got into a fight with a guy and was injured.

Now let's say she continued to run and ran into the street and was hit by car, then people would be saying why didn't he use his taser to stop her.

Her cuffs were in front of her. I don't know if the officer did that or if she got them from behind her back. That makes it more of a problem if she wants to fight. As stated above, if he tackled her and took her to the ground and the same thing could have happened, or worse, or nothing. That's the chance she took when she decided to run.

It's a sad situation, but she brought it on herself. Like I said, don't break the law, don't fight or run from the police and you'll be fine.

So when the police break the law (which they do on a daily basis) what are you supposed to do? Fuck all? Who watches the police? No one, they are a gang. They abide by the same EXACT code that gangs do, the blue code of silence. Cops NEVER report each other for wrongdoings, and if they do, they are FIRED just like a gang member would be kicked out of a gang. Christopher Dorner is a perfect example. He reported police brutality, lost his job because of it.

Cops have a license to kill and they all know this.

[Atropine]

Something I am noticing...

A lot of people living in California seem to feel the police there are really rough and borderline criminal.

I don't live there, so I have a hard time commenting.

In Tacoma, Washington...the cops here are on the up and up for the most part. I know many of them personally through my job.

Seattle on the other hand...they seem to be notorious for police brutality. I have not personally experienced this...

Anyway...I see things from the policeman's eyes often due to spending a deployment in Iraq and facing a very real constant danger on a daily basis. So maybe I am more likely to empathize with the policeman.

Sometimes I think the cop cannot win in the eyes of some people.

Rodney King...many people wondered why he wasn't tazered (he was).
*Yet people are wondering why this cop tazered this girl rather than tackling her
*I actually asked a Tacoma Policeman about tazers and he said they are not considered "lethal force", but they are taught to use discretion when pulling them and/or deploying them.

In this particular case...
*sorry she died...
*she was a criminal that had already committed 3 felonies that day...
*had a criminal past

I don't want to get into the "what if" game.
*But since others did...what if she then ran off..stole another car and then wrecked that car into a child on the sidewalk or school bus? Wouldn't we be wondering why that cop did not stop her when given the chance?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by SoCal909

Christopher Dorner is a perfect example. He reported police brutality, lost his job because of it.

You mean when he reported that his training officer kicked a guy in the face? AFTER she gave him a bad performance review? When the guy involved said a "black female officer with dark hair" kicked him while the officer in question was white/blond hair? When the guy involved said his facial injuries were from a club? When witnesses, including civilians, did not see the kick?

Oh you mean he was fired for lying.. terrible LAPD.

[OrangeJuleas]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

You mean when he reported that his training officer kicked a guy in the face? AFTER she gave him a bad performance review? When the guy involved said a "black female officer with dark hair" kicked him while the officer in question was white/blond hair? When the guy involved said his facial injuries were from a club? When witnesses, including civilians, did not see the kick?

Oh you mean he was fired for lying.. terrible LAPD.

Not saying that he wasn't a total nutjob, but surely you've heard of the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Code_of_Silence"]Blue Code of Silence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]. You know, the unspoken rule that anyone who speaks out against your fellow officers would be shunned and outcast? This is a documented and well-known thing. He may have been wrong, he may have been right, but if he was right, this would prevent anyone from saying anything.

"It’s called the Blue Code of Silence, an unwritten rule among police officers not to rat on a fellow officer. Many feel it’s futile to challenge the blue code, because doing so could mean breaking longstanding traditions and feelings of brotherhood within law enforcement. Violating the silence could lead to being shunned, losing friends, losing back-up, receiving threats, having one’s own misconduct exposed and being terminated."

Quote from here.

Just sayin'.

[OrangeJuleas]

Originally Posted by Atropine

I don't want to get into the "what if" game.
*But since others did...what if she then ran off..stole another car and then wrecked that car into a child on the sidewalk or school bus? Wouldn't we be wondering why that cop did not stop her when given the chance?

I know you don't want to play the "what if" game, but what if that girl that did two hit and runs and was subsequently tased and killed was one of your children, your brother or sister, or girlfriend/wife? It is easy to categorize people who commit crimes as less than human because we don't know anything about them other than the fact that they committed a crime. Put the face and soul of someone you care about to this individual and then see if you feel the same way.

FWIW, I have had many friends in rehab, friends who've gone to jail, family that has done some pretty bad things, and while I believe they deserved their punishment, none have deserved to die for what they've done.