High horsepower, straight line car forums...

[Prog]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

<---- had a Mustang GT... Found it boring and a POS...

<--- Has driven 1M, M3s and M5s Awesome at the corners, boring in a straight line...

Ergo, Straight line is NOT fun....

<--- traded a Camaro for his BRZ

Straight line was fun. It's a different kind of fun being pushed back into your seat and going around curves. You are free to like whichever (or both) if you want, and vote with you money, which you already have.

[utekineir]

real vs threads end with, yeah but my interior is better.

lol vw.

[SoCal909]

The power worked out in my favor, I'm a bit of a ***** when it comes to going fast in cars, when I was looking at what car to get I test drove a Mustang GT. That thing was way too fast for me.

Personal preference I guess. I never think of buying cars for power, I'm just one of those guys who like cars based on styling for the most part.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Hanni_0176

Secondly, if you take a look at alot of the turbo threads in the F&I forum, the turbos that are being used for 400whp aren't really THAT large. In fact, on pump gas, the same cars are making roughly 100whp less than they are with e85, which allows them to push upwards of 16 psi of boost. Regardless, with the 12.5:1 compression ratio of this car, even at 16 psi of boost, the turbo lag isn't all that bad. Even more regardless is the fact that, in terms of straight line power, the turbo lag is nearly irrelevant. Around a track, the turbo lag is obviously a bigger deal, but you're also tossing around a car through the corners that weighs 500+ lbs less... and in the case of some of the beefier muscle cars like Camaro SS or even Mustang GT, you're looking at nearly 1,000 lbs less weight.

Sure, you won't be lacking for power, but the turbo lag will be an issue in corners more due to the inconsistent delivery of the power. Boost coming on mid-corner, with a bit of lag, is a recipe for kicking the back end out and losing a lot of time. Of course, it all depends on what you want the car for - if you want it for passing power on the highway, and straight line performance, then sure, a turbo is a great way to do that.

Originally Posted by Hanni_0176

In terms of reliability... well, this platform is still too new to really say. There have been quite a few that have gone boosted and are pushing into the high 300's on e85, with several members making high 300's on pump gas and mid 400's on e85, without any problems so far. Only time will tell what the reliability of those power figures are on the stock block.

That's why I said potentially more reliable - I agree that the reliability at this point is somewhat of an unknown. That having been said, I'd be shocked if a 400hp 86 were anywhere close to as reliable as a base C7 or 991 Carrera. I won't say that it's impossible, but I would be extremely surprised.

Originally Posted by Hanni_0176

Regardless, I think you missed the point of my post. It wasn't to say that the FT86 is a better platform than a Corvette or a Porsche. My point was that the FT86 responds well to mods, and that a turbocharger + e85 on the FT86 will be faster than most of the Porsches/Corvettes/Mustangs/etc that you'll see out on the road... and it's a sleeper.

That's all true, but I still think that's kind of missing the point of the car - for the amount of money it takes to do that, you could buy a Mustang GT and get it up to >500whp (or even >600whp) with a positive displacement blower if you want straight line speed.

Don't get me wrong here - I absolutely understand the desire for more power, but if that power is added with a fairly high boost turbo (and what you're talking about there is pretty high boost), I think it kind of ruins the character of the car.

[Boom]

Was at a stop light the other day, a Mustang GT pulled up next to me. He rolled down his window and gave a huge thumbs up. I wish I took a pic, that would've been very appropriate right now.

[thill]

It is all relative to what you consider "fast". If you coming from a Prius, this car will feel plenty fast in a straight-line. If you are coming from a higher horsepower/tq car then this car will must likely feel slow. My last car made 275hp and 275ft lbs of tq with max torque being made below 3K RPM's. It felt much faster in a straight-line than the BRZ. But I knew that going in and did an extensive test drive.

People coming from faster cars really need to do an in-depth test drive before buying this car. I have read too many people who bitch and moan about the straight-line performance of this car only to find out they pretty much bought the car site unseen, or with little to no test drive and they bought it based on all the glowing reviews.

If your expectation is that this car will be as fast as a V6 Mustang, Camaro, or turbocharged 4 cylinder Gencoupe, you will be frustrated.

If you plan on adding FI from the start, then it you probably don't have much to worry about. And you also have to adjust your driving habits. You pretty much have to live above 5K RPM's to get the most from this car. For many people that are used to shifting before that range, it will require you to change your habits to get the most from the car.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by SigmaHyperion

Automakers don't get props for making cars that are pretty good at everything; they need to excel at something so they can be 'the best' at it, forcing vehicles into various niches.

I think your post is great except for this. Automakers do make and get accolades for cars that are good at everything, lets name a few:
Toyota Camry
Honda Accord
Ford Fusion
Chevy Malibu
etc. etc.

Our cars get compared to V6 sedans in straightline speed, Big hefty muscle cars and trucks get compared to V6 sedans in terms of handling and they are the benchline for utility, fuel efficiency and ownership costs.

But the jack of all trades is master of none and they're boring as fuck.

[SigmaHyperion]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I think your post is great except for this. Automakers do make and get accolades for cars that are good at everything, lets name a few:
Toyota Camry
Honda Accord
Ford Fusion
Chevy Malibu
etc. etc.

Our cars get compared to V6 sedans in straightline speed, Big hefty muscle cars and trucks get compared to V6 sedans in terms of handling and they are the benchline for utility, fuel efficiency and ownership costs.

But the jack of all trades is master of none and they're boring as fuck.

Great point. I was definitely speaking more of vehicles targetted towards a more performance-oriented demographic, but you're absolutely right.

I suppose even in the performance demographic, I'd be wrong. There are cars that attempt to be good at everything -- they're just $60,000+ so not exactly on my mind. Like M-series, RS-series, etc, etc, etc.

[Diode Dynamics]

I'm on all of these forums you guys are referencing (ChallengerTalk and Camaro5) and yes, occasionally you will have the good ole' boys who think 'Merican Muscle' is the only way to be, but not every member on those forums is a dingus.

Every forum has those people on it and those kinds of threads pop up all the time about how X car I own is better than Y,Z...people will always defend what they spent their money on.

They say the twins are underpowered, FT86Club people say it's a good handling car / lightweight.

FT86Club says the Mustang/Camaro/Challengers are too heavy...C5/CT/MF forums say they are the most powerful cars.

To each his/her own! Personally, I'm glad I have a Mustang GT and a 240SX (I drive our FR-S too lol) I've experienced what both types of cars have to offer and they are fun in their own ways.

Real car enthusiasts are open minded to all makes and models!

Lol, Thanks!

Nick C.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by SigmaHyperion

I suppose even in the performance demographic, I'd be wrong. There are cars that attempt to be good at everything -- they're just $60,000+ so not exactly on my mind. Like M-series, RS-series, etc, etc, etc.

Panamera
Quattroporte
E63 AMG
M6
CTSV

etc.

[buddy32]

Originally Posted by Prog

<--- traded a Camaro for his BRZ

Straight line was fun. It's a different kind of fun being pushed back into your seat and going around curves. You are free to like whichever (or both) if you want, and vote with you money, which you already have.

Same

[Books]

It's easier to add power to a great chassis than adding handling to a crappy chassis (but fast).

We have a wonderful well balanced and cheap RWD car as a foundation to build off of. If you want more power, I say go for it! I mean, if I were in the market for a $50k+ sports car... I may as well get an 86 and do an LS swap (And probably even have some money leftover for more mods)

The main gripe I have is when people complain "Needs more hoarspowah"... Dude, just mod it.

[BRZ21]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Responds to mods? Aside from forced induction or fuel you arent getting far past 30, maybe 40whp in the power sector... thats not great compared to many cars available. Now theres no question that aftermarket support in general is great for this car, but that was a given.

To some extent yes, other car forums do tell their whiners that their GTO isnt going to be a ballerina at the autoX nor will a supra tear up the canyons... but the first thing most people think of doing in a car is going forward and if its a sports car they want that to happen fast.

I totally agree with you about how the car responds to mods... its seems almost every drop was squeezed out from factory but don't forget that 30-40 more hp is proportionate and is probably similar 70-80 in a mustang based off of displacement and overall weight of the vehicle.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by BRZ21

I totally agree with you about how the car responds to mods... its seems almost every drop was squeezed out from factory but don't forget that 30-40 more hp is proportionate and is probably similar 70-80 in a mustang based off of displacement and overall weight of the vehicle.

A mustang is not twice the weight of a BRZ. 30-40hp added to a BRZ is more like 45-50hp added to a Mustang.